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chibikougan 06-23-2015 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 313840)
It is close (just like everything else in this 5 lb. sack ;) ), but yes, it should. The hood bulges upward toward the middle with no inner structure, which is the only reason that my manifold clears. I'll see for absolute sure next time I trial fit the hood. It wouldn't be the first time I had to go back and re-think something.

edit: damn it Ransom, you got me worried and I had to go out and reinstall the hood to check it. :lol: There was a clearance issue. Not with the hood per se, but with the mounting tab for the hood prop. Chopped off the tab and it closes just fine.

Wheww! Good eye. :biggthumpup:

I do have another clearance issue with the coolant inlet pipe. It touches on the inner curve of the bend. I was planning to cut and swivel that to a more forward angle anyway. The outward angle is a bit extreme for this car and now that I know it touches the intake piping I'll definitely need to modify it to face further toward the front of the car.


Good deal..

My OCD kicks in I would be fucking with the hood on and off constantly. Like checking the door lock even though I fucking know its locked I just checked it 8 times but I am still going to check it however many more times...:rofl:

GySgtFrank 06-25-2015 11:55 AM

In order to get accurate measurements for the intake system I need to get a few other things situated. I had to make a new battery box and mounts from scratch to relocate it. It was originally mounted up by the windshield cowl, but that area is no longer there..

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/440/19...0c277280d5.jpgbattery box by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

GySgtFrank 06-26-2015 02:43 PM

Trailing coil and main FC fuse panel mounted.


https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3686/1...881021109f.jpgtrailing coil by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

I screwed up on the paint. I was going to do some touch up on the box and mounts. Bought the wrong paint and it's now lifting. I'll need to sandblast it all off and start over on the paint when I get to it.

GySgtFrank 06-26-2015 09:21 PM

... and leading coil is mounted.

built a bracket to bolt where the original coil went ...


https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/343/19...a3699d80fa.jpgleading coil bracket by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


mounted the coil ...


https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/306/18...3777feb9ba.jpgleading coil mounted by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


and a picture of the whole ensemble.


https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3832/1...5c41da47cd.jpgcoils and battery by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

chibikougan 06-26-2015 09:31 PM

Can you pull the plugs with it in the engine bay..:rofl:

GySgtFrank 06-26-2015 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 314040)
Can you pull the plugs with it in the engine bay..:rofl:

Yep, yep, one of the first things I looked for, accessibility to the plugs. Admittedly I probably shouldn't do any bulking up on the forearms to get in there, but I can reach them. ;)

chibikougan 06-26-2015 09:39 PM

So easier access than an Rx8 good deal!

GySgtFrank 06-26-2015 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 314043)
So easier access than an Rx8 good deal!

OK, OK, I'll go get pics. :grumble, damned nuisance neighbor kids, grumble:


:lol:

chibikougan 06-26-2015 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 314044)
OK, OK, I'll go get pics. :grumble, damned nuisance neighbor kids, grumble:


:lol:

Haha you don't have to one of the earlier pics give a pretty clear indicator there is room.:rofl:

GySgtFrank 06-26-2015 09:57 PM

Now you tell me. Well you're getting the picture anyhow.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/320/19...f70ac66212.jpgspark plug access by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

Lots of room. ;)

chibikougan 06-26-2015 10:15 PM

Doesn't even look like you will have to put the socket on first...Plenty of room.

GySgtFrank 06-28-2015 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 314048)
Doesn't even look like you will have to put the socket on first...Plenty of room.

That's what I was thinking, but I have to resist the temptation to stuff anything else in that space. ;)

I've been looking at the fuel system and running into problems, no surprise there. I really hate the dinky 7 gallon fuel tank which was a PITA with the 1500. It's going to be an even bigger pain with the rotary. The fuel mileage I was getting with this engine in the SA was actually pretty good, but you won't get far on 7 gallons regardless. I've been researching fuel cells with integrated FI capable pumps. The 15 gallon Aeromotive cell looks like the best bet. It's 20" W x18" L x 10" Deep properly baffled with the integrated pump. The only problem is that I don't need a pump that will support 1000 HP, Glenn might, but I don't. When I get up the money I'll have to give them a call and see if they can make me a deal on a fuel cell with the cheaper pump. Unfortunately this means rethinking my plans on the exhaust. The fuel cell will eat into the space behind the existing fuel tank for the stock muffler. I was planning to put the new muffler there, but there won't be any room now. I'll probably have to go with a pair of the shorty pre-silencers from RB and try to fit them before the axle, leaving the space beside the tank for the muffler.

Just scratching my head and rambling.

GySgtFrank 07-03-2015 02:15 PM

I got the intake side pretty much done while I'm waiting for my Racing Beat muffler to get here. There was no way to route the intake tract, and no room for the filter, where I was thinking to put it. This was the best I could come up with for now. I may try to build a canister surround and do a cold air pick up for it later. I need to see where everything else [i.e. radiator and shroud/oil cooler(s), etc.] will fit first.

I had to build an adapter to go from the AFM to the standard flange for a 4" ID filter that is 6 inches in diameter and about 6.5 inches in length.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19...59f8572e05.jpgair filter bracket 2 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


... and pictures of the filter installed.


https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19...1dee2f2392.jpgair filter 1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3854/1...1e49c38022.jpgair filter 2 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


The flanges are a very tight fit. They just barely clear the water pump pulley. Packaging is very tight in one of these cars.


The muffler is supposed to be here Tuesday. I need to get the placement done on that before I can make any further plans about the rest of the exhaust. It's also going to impact the size and placement of my decision on a fuel tank. Still very much up in the air about what to do about that for now.

GySgtFrank 07-03-2015 03:24 PM

Looking around to see what else I can accomplish while waiting on parts.

I thought it would be appropriate to post these pictures for anyone planning out a similar swap. Fitted my existing spark plug wires to check for fit. I believe these were stock size, but I couldn't swear to it as they came (almost new) on the engine when I bought it. I have plenty of extra for looms so I think that any wires made for the FC RX7 should work.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/257/19...e88c45d15d.jpgspark plug wires 1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/508/19...392c831bc0.jpgspark plug wires 2 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

chibikougan 07-03-2015 03:27 PM

Nice. Lookin Good!

GySgtFrank 07-06-2015 09:37 PM

While I've been waiting for my muffler to get here I have been piddling with a few things. Did some more trimming for the radiator and figured out which one I'm going to try. The VW Scirocco radiator would have fit well in the front opening, but it's a little smaller than I would like. It probably would have been fine, but I get really nervous about over heating a rotary. I looked it over again and checked out what a few others have done. I believe I can fit an off the shelf 15.5 x 31 radiator in there. This will put me just over 400 square inches and is meant to cool an LS V8, so it should do the trick handily (provided I can make it fit of course). It will require a few modifications to the radiator and a lot more modification of the front radiator area, but should be quite a bit cheaper than a custom built radiator.

The other thing I did I would have sworn would not work. I modified the clutch slave line attachment using pieces from both the MG and an old slave cylinder I had from a 12A. I cut off most of the hose portion of the 12A line and drilled it out with a 1/4" drill bit. I then removed the slave cylinder fitting from the MG plastic line, straightened it out, and slipped it into the drilled 12A fitting. I then welded the MG line to the 12A fitting because I was concerned that it may leak otherwise. I shortened the plastic clutch line and heated up the new fitting with a Propane torch. I then inserted the barbed end of the steel MG line fitting back into the plastic line. It needed some cleanup inside the line, but when I hooked it to the original MG master cylinder (filled and purged of course), it worked. It seems to be fully disengaging the clutch and no leaks so far. We'll have to see if it works as well as it appears once it's running though.

a picture of the MG clutch master cylinder hooked to the Mazda clutch slave cylinder.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/292/18...222fdca395.jpgclutch master by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


and a picture of the Mazda clutch slave with the modified fitting.


https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/342/19...841f3e96f2.jpgclutch slave by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


It's definitely not pretty, but I was not expecting this to work. I thought it was worth a try while I was waiting for parts is all.

GySgtFrank 07-07-2015 08:25 PM

We have muffler.


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/482/1...c855479f64.jpgmuffler by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


Now for my next magic trick. Making that big ass muffler fit into non-existent space. ;)

RETed 07-07-2015 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 314440)
We have muffler.

Now for my next magic trick. Making that big ass muffler fit into non-existent space. ;)

You can always ditch the passenger seat and put it there... :D

Still got your hearing? :D


-Ted

GySgtFrank 07-07-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RETed (Post 314441)
You can always ditch the passenger seat and put it there... :D

Still got your hearing? :D


-Ted

That's an idea. We don't need no steenkin' passengers. :lol:

My hearing is pretty bad, so I'd like to hold onto what I have left. The exhaust system is going to get a little ... umm ... complicated in pursuit of that goal.

GySgtFrank 07-08-2015 02:26 PM

I'm kind of committed at this point.


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/555/1...3147e34e1b.jpgtrunk area - before by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/408/1...f84d532cea.jpgtrunk - cut out 2 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/442/1...b8bebc6635.jpgtrunk - cut out 1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

chibikougan 07-08-2015 04:33 PM

You lost your boot sole....:rofl:

GySgtFrank 07-08-2015 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 314527)
You lost your boot sole....:rofl:

It's outta here! :lol: I was cringing a bit when I started making the cuts, but it had to be done to get a decent sized muffler and fuel tank in there.

... and the position where the muffler is going to fit.


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/546/1...b76aa35d87.jpgmuffler position by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


I'm going to lose about 6.5 inches of boot ( ;) ) space due to raising the floor that far. It will allow me to fit the muffler, with plenty of air space around it, and to fit a standard 20 gallon fuel cell (24x20x10) if that's what I end up going with. The bottom edge of the muffler and the fuel cell will project below the car by about 2 inches, but I don't think that should be a problem. It's not a 4x4 and departure angle shouldn't be too big of a worry.

hades 07-08-2015 08:24 PM

Looks good.

GySgtFrank 07-08-2015 09:27 PM

Thanks Jeff. Working on building the box sides that will be flanged at the top.

GySgtFrank 07-10-2015 03:47 PM

Well change 546. After getting the floor out of there I was able to reassess my options. I pulled the FC tank from the SA and fitted it in there. It appears that I can make it work. These things happen when you're making it up as you go along. ;)


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/462/1...e21daf5a91.jpgfuel tank 1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/444/1...b0347a1b11.jpgfuel tank 3 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


The downside is that I will probably have to use one of the Spin Tech mufflers from the SA behind the tank as they are narrower. They were a bit loud anyway and I can use the RB Muffler in the SA when I get to putting the turbo motor in that. I could use the RB muffler in the MG, but I'm afraid there would be too little air space around it for me to feel comfortable. Especially considering how hot a rotary gets the muffler. It will also necessitate running dual 2" OD pipe to just before the muffler. It's going to be that tight of a fit.

The up side is that I will have the same or better cruising range as a stock FC and the pieces will be stock replacement stuff designed to work together. It will also save me about 1000 dollars for fuel cell, pump, fuel pressure regulator, and whatnot.

TitaniumTT 07-11-2015 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 314043)
So easier access than an Rx8 good deal!

I dunno what you're talking about... changing 8 plugs is a breeze.... turn wheel full right, get 3' extension, swivel, and socket and go to war... easy peasey

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 314443)
That's an idea. We don't need no steenkin' passengers. :lol:

My hearing is pretty bad, so I'd like to hold onto what I have left. The exhaust system is going to get a little ... umm ... complicated in pursuit of that goal.

Soooooo open dumps on the turbo motor is out?? Pussy

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 314527)
You lost your boot sole....:rofl:

:squint:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 314532)
It's outta here! :lol: I was cringing a bit when I started making the cuts, but it had to be done to get a decent sized muffler and fuel tank in there.

... and the position where the muffler is going to fit.


I'm going to lose about 6.5 inches of boot ( ;) ) space due to raising the floor that far. It will allow me to fit the muffler, with plenty of air space around it, and to fit a standard 20 gallon fuel cell (24x20x10) if that's what I end up going with. The bottom edge of the muffler and the fuel cell will project below the car by about 2 inches, but I don't think that should be a problem. It's not a 4x4 and departure angle shouldn't be too big of a worry.

What about weight transfer? That's what.... 10% of the gross weight of the car when you fill it up??!?!? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 314685)
Well change 546. After getting the floor out of there I was able to reassess my options. I pulled the FC tank from the SA and fitted it in there. It appears that I can make it work. These things happen when you're making it up as you go along. ;)

That looks tight... a little too tight for me.... and I would try to find a replacement FC tanks before committing to that... Would hate to see the SA stall out because you stole from Peter to pay Paul and Peter ended up being Peter Peter cock eater....

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Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 314685)
The downside is that I will probably have to use one of the Spin Tech mufflers from the SA behind the tank as they are narrower. They were a bit loud anyway and I can use the RB Muffler in the SA when I get to putting the turbo motor in that. I could use the RB muffler in the MG, but I'm afraid there would be too little air space around it for me to feel comfortable. Especially considering how hot a rotary gets the muffler. It will also necessitate running dual 2" OD pipe to just before the muffler. It's going to be that tight of a fit.

The up side is that I will have the same or better cruising range as a stock FC and the pieces will be stock replacement stuff designed to work together. It will also save me about 1000 dollars for fuel cell, pump, fuel pressure regulator, and whatnot.

I'm all for saving cash..... but I would still look for an FC tank just to make sure... and no, I don't have any... all mine were trash and ended up at the recycling center...

Looks good though! Looks real good... just make sure it's finished before the new year... would hate to have to come out there and kick your ass.... well... Maggie will... missing one year fine... 2... not happening... for your safety... I suggest finishing quickly! :lol:

GySgtFrank 07-11-2015 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 314718)
Soooooo open dumps on the turbo motor is out?? Pussy

Yes, open dumps are out. Only wannabe ricers run an open dump on the street. :squint:

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 314718)
What about weight transfer? That's what.... 10% of the gross weight of the car when you fill it up??!?!? :rofl:

I did give that some consideration. I came to the conclusion that I would rather add a little extra weight to the back of the car than have to stop for gas every 100 miles because of the dinky 7 gallon tank. It will be about 10 gallons more fuel, so about 60 lbs with a full tank?


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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 314718)
That looks tight... a little too tight for me.... and I would try to find a replacement FC tanks before committing to that... Would hate to see the SA stall out because you stole from Peter to pay Paul and Peter ended up being Peter Peter cock eater....

I'm all for saving cash..... but I would still look for an FC tank just to make sure... and no, I don't have any... all mine were trash and ended up at the recycling center...

It is tight, but there is nowhere else to put it. These cars are tiny, light, but tiny. To give you an idea of just how tiny here's a picture of a Midget parked next to regular vehicles.

Attachment 15937

The tank I have is in good shape. It was fine for several years in the SA and had premix in it since I got it. A new tank is expensive as shit, but at least they're still available if I have any problems. The SA is going to need a bigger pump anyway and I would rather spend the money for a fuel cell on it as it is more likely to actually need it.


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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 314718)
Looks good though! Looks real good... just make sure it's finished before the new year... would hate to have to come out there and kick your ass.... well... Maggie will... missing one year fine... 2... not happening... for your safety... I suggest finishing quickly! :lol:

Thanks. I'm certainly giving it my best shot, money permitting.

Tell Maggie to put the knife down.

GySgtFrank 07-20-2015 02:42 PM

This is what I've been fighting with for the past few days.


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/384/1...9b6f452420.jpgFuel pass through 1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


I had to weld a few different angles together to make a pass through in my fuel tank enclosure for the stock fuel filler. The vent pass through only required a straight piece, so that one was easy. The fuel filler involved a bunch of different angles, so it was a bit more of a pain to do. I'll get paint on the enclosure (some of it will be impossible to get paint on once it is in) and get it welded in position, pictures of that will be forthcoming.

chibikougan 07-20-2015 02:45 PM

sweet

GySgtFrank 07-20-2015 06:01 PM

... and the fuel tank enclosure in paint.


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/385/1...7720b0e5e0.jpgfuel tank enclosure 1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/393/1...d2b371de33.jpgfuel tank enclosure 2 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


The muffler enclosure, which fits behind this piece, will have to be done in the car. The entire tank and muffler piece will not fit in the trunk opening so it needs to be done in two pieces.

chibikougan 07-20-2015 06:13 PM

You might want to use a beefier lift next time...:willy_nilly: looks good!

GySgtFrank 07-20-2015 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 315047)
You might want to use a beefier lift next time...:willy_nilly: looks good!

It works well for holding parts up for painting too. Nice to have adjustable height while spraying large pieces. :cheers2:

estevan62274 07-20-2015 06:46 PM

I'd rather see you working on the first gen:dunno:


Good work anyways :D

GySgtFrank 07-20-2015 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by estevan62274 (Post 315050)
I'd rather see you working on the first gen:dunno:


Good work anyways :D

Actually so would I, but the little green monster had other ideas. I'm planning to go turbo with the SA so most of these parts need a new home anyway. That is going to require a re-think on some of the stuff on the SA, so probably just as well.

JL1RX7 07-21-2015 07:25 PM

Best laid plans of mice and men. Or something like that. :auto:

We all have our hanger queens. Sometimes they just require longer stays in said hanger.

GySgtFrank 07-21-2015 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JL1RX7 (Post 315108)
Best laid plans of mice and men. Or something like that. :auto:

We all have our hanger queens. Sometimes they just require longer stays in said hanger.

True, but having a hangar queen because you choose for it to be one is far more enjoyable than when the car chooses it for you.

estevan62274 07-21-2015 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 315051)
Actually so would I, but the little green monster had other ideas. I'm planning to go turbo with the SA so most of these parts need a new home anyway. That is going to require a re-think on some of the stuff on the SA, so probably just as well.

Nice, what's your turbo plans, REW or TII ?
Youll have plenty of tire for it.:auto:

GySgtFrank 07-21-2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by estevan62274 (Post 315111)
Nice, what's your turbo plans, REW or TII ?
Youll have plenty of tire for it.:auto:

I want to go RE or REW, based upon the way MC and Brian built his engine. The power levels and torque would be perfect for what I was looking for. It could be a long project though, as just getting all the parts together to do it will be expensive.

JL1RX7 07-21-2015 08:18 PM

Or you could try to find a big enough tire iron to take the keys from MC. :boxing_smiley:

GySgtFrank 07-21-2015 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JL1RX7 (Post 315114)
Or you could try to find a big enough tire iron to take the keys from MC. :boxing_smiley:

sshhh! I've been trying to lull him into a false sense of security so that he doesn't suspect me when his car disappears some dark night. :suspect:


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