A few more difference views showing the detail of the V3 'H' design......

http://i.imgur.com/sa61RT1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7lI8F4M.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hZWokWt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xozCnHq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xxk4SSu.jpg

And final pic!
All it requires is the trailing coil lower mounting tab to be cut off and filed back (specs provided in kit of dimension) and it will all fit like a finger in an anus!

Enjoy!

http://i.imgur.com/POLuiLD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HJcyzUL.jpg

Getting faster with the modelling anyway.

I will have to get a copy of Pro-E or something, I think I still have an old desktop with a copy on board. :party:

Gold plated LOL

http://i.imgur.com/HY4Mx1x.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aDwLOt4.jpg

I dunno about faster.... as you know well ALL of this takes allot of time :smash: I'll be honest I am over COP's for a while! back to my apex seals :smash: ............... that is until the M&W coil turns up and I have to reinvent the wheel again :smash:

Then there is real work mixed between, getting 3 hours sleep a day is not enough :(

Not to sound needy... But if you're going to have it where the lower mounting tab of the upper coil is cut off, why not add a second mount for the lower coil to bolt up to? Wouldn't that allow for a slightly more secure fit, as it would secure both ends of the lower coil and allow the lower coil to act as an anchor (of sorts) for the lower tab of the upper coil to rest against?

(I'm envisioning cutting the upper coils tab in an arc so that it will rest flush against the lower coil)


Sorry for more potential work, just thinking out loud here and I figure if you're making it fool proof, might as well go overboard :rofl:

That, or just a tab worked into your H arms to fit flush against the non-secured side of the coils that would provide a little peace of mind against them potentially rotating/vibrating away from the COP adapters.

What's the ETA on V3? Even though I don't have a REW center plate I can probably make something that'll work.

Its not needed at all, as the coil is locked against the top tab and boss on the coil spacer (gold piece)
The design is finished, there is no need for further alterations. The coils cant move at all as is, no more supports are required.

Ah, cool shit and good deal! :biggthumpup: That's why you're the Engineer and I'm the future customer :smilielol5:


Any thoughts on an ETA for these going into production? Depending on your time frame I may talk with Brian about him waiting to build my engine loom once these are done...

It's hard for people to see as they don't have the CAD detail but these coils have a flat shoulder near the mounting tabs, if you pay close attention you will see all 4 ends on the coil spacers are different lengths to makes sure the butt up against these flat shoulders, so when a bolt is installed the coil cannot drop down or up or rotate at all, its not physically possible, thus the second mounting tab is redundant.

The GOLD coil spacers are so strong that to deflect them would need over 100kg of force and then the movement is minimal.

You could add (LOL I COULD!) in another middle mount in the coil spacers but would be not needed and just make it heavier and more complex, then it would need specialist cutting of both coils and you could not run two M7 bolts next to each other like that as there is no wall to thread both, let alone the head for the fastener and it would look stupid and serve no real purpose except for being along for the ride, thus I designed it as it is.

And its solid, cant move anywhere.

p.s. Th gold legs lost the feature on the bottom of the locking I describe, you see it in the silver versions!

Should fit the stock set up now with ease.

ETA dunno, hopefully soon once I see how many people want them?

Awesome! Well, count me in for a set of mounts/COP adapters :)

(Though, if there will be color anodizing/coating options I'd rather have a gloss or flat black as opposed to gold ;) hehe)

This is what it will look like, not rounded like the GOLD one, I was just fucking around with it. too hard to make like that too much machining :banghead:

In these pics you can see the shoulder thing I was describing on each coil making them impossible to move once bolted by a single tab.

OFF to be another fucking 2am day!

^ Just a thought, what is the approximate distance from the housing is the back of the coil including the plug socket? For us LHD people is there a possibility of interference with the steering shaft?

This is very cool. Would this fit 12A spacing by just twisting the COP adapters a bit or does
the bracket need to be modified to do that? I suspect the twisting the adaptors won't line
up with the plugs well.

Whats the ballpark $$ on this? We talking 100s or 1000s of dollars? Plus shipping of course.

:smilielol5: :rofl: Thanks Peter! :icon_tup::willy_nilly:

Thanks,

If I were Adobe I should charge around $20,000 for this :biggrinjester:

But seriously I hope it to be in 100's range rather than 1000's cause otherwise I myself will run high tension leads :D or rip it all out and put in a boat anchor engine haha.

On the 12A front:
* COP Adaptors are universal (fit anything) :smash:
* Engine bracket needs redesign per engine
* Coil spacer brackets need adjustment to suit spark plug spacing in X & Y dimensions

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3...r0042rz4rt.jpg
Would have to design an engine bracket mount that uses the bottom large hole in the center plate :smash:

Best to put a 13B-REW in it :smash:
http://www.bfhracing.org/duck/withmanifolds.jpg

I have this dimension listed earlier on in the thread (spark plug tip to back of coil inc plug and harness connection estimate, V3 sits lower too v's V2 horizontal version), people need to check that one out, there is not much else I can do in the design sadly, it tweaked to within a mm of its life now. :smash:

Have designed some little 'limit locks' that go under the cover plates, these lock the stroke of the spring, and can be placed by the customer to lock the COP adaptor to the coils or to the plugs (axial movement with range of groove/slot) when taking shit on and off...... idea is to lock it to the coil though.

:smilielol5:

Sooooooooooooo who has a LHD FD with an engine in it?

I tidied up the design of V3, this is the latest spec with rounded brackets, and showing the boss detail to lock in the coils with single bolt, fixed holes M7x1 threaded for coil mounting and M5 hole to Engine bracket mount.
I think it looks good ?

http://i.imgur.com/kUNLhhW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2pUd8S4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9byAxhD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XmIoGsQ.jpg

Couple of high quality images for you to beat off too....

http://i.imgur.com/m65sABU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VndUEZh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kHa1iZs.jpg

Little video..............

Another small revision to the coil spacers, cosmetic mostly larger radi in the coil section (fill it out) and transition to the center bracket.

This maybe the 'expensive version' versus the one that can essentially be fabricated! (flatter versions), it just depends on if people want a work of art or are cost focused :dunno:

http://i.imgur.com/2zA5bPY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KGNJRIO.jpg

I do.:fawk:

I'll talk to ya later

Banged in a few fasteners :smash:

http://i.imgur.com/FGpWzgb.jpg

Can you post up the dimension from the face of the Housing..or the mounting point on the iron...to the back of the coils. Need to check how much room there is in my application.

It looks like they are approximately bounded by the width of the housings?

Kewl, I'll be on the rd tomorrow from ~2 till whenever the traffic releases me :lol:

What size are the fasteners? I though the one on the center plate was an M6x1.0...

It is :) see pic

The fasteners are
M6x1 engine bracket
M5x0.8 coil spacers x 2
M8x1 OR 1/4 inch (have not decided yet) x 4 for the coils.

http://i.imgur.com/Nni5pPX.jpg

I posted up from the tip of the spark plug already, need to look for it.
I'll check for you later, its on page 2 or 3 or some shit. :smash:

mung it

I see... I'm just an idiot....

It would be my preference to see an M8 there, however IIRC the bosses need to be honed for that to work.

Looks awesome Peter... really really awesome...

Have you contacted any of the vendors stateside to see if they have an interest in distributing? I was going to do this with the MAP sensor mounts.... IF I EVER GET THEM :banghead::beatdeadhorse:

:smilielol5:

I'm down, Levi seems down (And no, it won't delay the start of the LR instal ;)

WOW, the mounts look effin AWESOME!

Peter, what are your thoughts on the ign-1a coil vs stock coils with a HKW twin power? stock coils with CDI boxes (MSD/crane)?

Thanks man, shit is getting out of control :beatdeadhorse5:
I have finalized V3 design into two sub sets, one CNC made the other fabricated (I am talking about the coil spacers and engine mounting bracket here) the COP's are standardized.
I am trying to help the DIY'ers out there as well as those on a budget too how want champagne @ a beer price! .....

A sneak pic below (once I finalize all this shit I will smash it up on the front page/first post) to save confusion of so many fucking CAD iterations!) :rofl:


On the question of merits or recommendations on each system?
The HKS DLI and OEM coils work fantastic, I have my own dwell settings for the PFC which I put into this set up (my supported consultancy customers get this!) that allows that set up to run my RRWEP140 at a high rate and LOTS of power with a heavy target fuel mixture as well! ............. so it is very hard to beat that system, however without the correct dwell settings it will not work with water injection.

So then you are left to try these types of coils, these seem to work, and lots use them, thus me wasting my time designing and making all of this shit lol

Finally CDI, I dont care what anyone says after 20 years + doing this stuff NOTHING beats a proper CDI set up, the ultimate is M@W twin box system in pro drag spec (twin box allows it to be used in street ap without over heating) and their CDI coils, will fire anything and is used in all the most powerful methanol fueled cars on the planet.

mung it

Work on getting a simplified machined piece without all the pretty curves and make enough to bring the price down...they will sell like hotcakes ;)

Don't get me wrong...I like the pretty ones..but they are going to be much more expensive to machine

Already done :)

V3V-GHETTO

Pics to follow once I finalize it :smash:
It will be a fabricated version, so people can weld it up to drawing specs or I may even TIG them together myself..........

mung it

LOL...if you are making both I like the pretty ones....

First post update with the 3 versions locked down and ready to go to next stage.

Get an idea of numbers of people interested and I can see if volume makes 2 fucks worth of difference in getting them made :willy_nilly:

Over this shit for now, no more request LOL.