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djmtsu 10-18-2012 04:59 PM

Stranger things have happened :-)

reddozen 10-19-2012 01:50 PM

lmao...

djmtsu 12-05-2012 07:38 AM

OK, so I got the Cosmo back.

Time to get to work!

Whizbang 12-05-2012 09:35 AM

so it has come full circle eh?

djmtsu 12-05-2012 09:44 AM

Yep. Worked out well for both of us.

This will be my last "build" for a while. Going to start simple. Put it back together and in good mechanical condition. From there, I'll boost it and the downward spiral will begin.

Whizbang 12-05-2012 09:45 AM

i know how that its. Rally car is getting there. I have a merkur that needs soem things and there is this Rx2 for 400 bucks i really want to pick up.

djmtsu 12-05-2012 01:11 PM

RX-2 for $400 you say...

..where is this located? :D

Whizbang 12-05-2012 01:22 PM

the great state of idaho, in a field behind a farm house

FerociousP 12-12-2012 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 224187)
Yep. Worked out well for both of us.

This will be my last "build" for a while. Going to start simple. Put it back together and in good mechanical condition. From there, I'll boost it and the downward spiral will begin.

Alright Phil.

djmtsu 02-25-2013 01:12 PM

Update:
Nothing really, although I did pick up another Cosmo, just waiting for it to be brought down here to TN.

Started tearing it apart!

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...pictureid=2994

Then found some nasty ass rust in a bad spot.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...pictureid=2996

This is where the front engine crossmember bolts to the frame rails. A leaky battery has really fucked it up. Notice that nasty looking nut/bolt there? That is a welded nut that has broken free and it seized. Oh, this also doubles as the front sway bar mount.

Now, this is what it is supposed to look like (picture of the other Cosmo). Much better!!!

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...pictureid=2995

Now, the problem is, I have no idea when the other Cosmo is going to make it down here. It is all based on when my step-dad buys a new truck. Lol.

But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I have found and test fitted all the trim and such, all there. Also I found the glovebox knob, which was a major source of irritation for me.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...pictureid=2993

Other than that, I have replaced the wheel seals and cleaned up the rear diff, including the rear brakes. More to come....

djmtsu 09-30-2013 06:48 AM

She's about to be sent off for the frame rust repair......


Stayed tuned (whoever is actually watching)

rx7 vinnie 09-30-2013 08:03 AM

I'm watching you from the bushes.....

djmtsu 09-30-2013 08:10 AM

As usual......

chibikougan 09-30-2013 08:11 PM

Haha watching touching!

lilring 09-30-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 224187)
Yep. Worked out well for both of us.

This will be my last "build" for a while. Going to start simple. Put it back together and in good mechanical condition. From there, I'll boost it and the downward spiral will begin.

last build.. BS on that.. i give this a year at the most before you buy something else

djmtsu 10-01-2013 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilring (Post 260478)
last build.. BS on that.. i give this a year at the most before you buy something else

Nah. Going to keep this one. Just because I buy something, doesn't mean I'm going to 'build' it.

djmtsu 10-10-2013 08:01 AM

Need some parts:

-84-85 big bearing front spindles/uprights
-Electronic dizzy

Sad thing is, before I sold the Cosmo, I had these parts.....then I sold them and now need them again. Whoops.

Kisses ;)

FerociousP 10-10-2013 10:58 AM

Correction: *CAS.

Quit playing with carbs. Johnny just bought an e6x for $350. From where you are at, might as well spend money that you'd spend with a carb towards going EFI, not as far off as you'd think!

Smoochie Boochies!

djmtsu 10-10-2013 11:10 AM

I still have a couple CAS's. Problem isn't the cost of the computer, its the cost of everything else.

I want this car to keep the 'old school' vibe. That means ITB's. ITB's are expensive. Plus injectors, manifolds, fuel pump, regulator, fuel lines and in this case, a whole new fuel tank.

That might be down the road, who knows, even a turbo might show up. But for now, this thing needs to get down the road as soon as possible.

FerociousP 10-10-2013 12:19 PM

meh. external EFI pump (like charles').

Manis/inj/reg/lines are almost free with the scene around here... temp manis now, ITBs later to get old skool feelz...

ext efi pump, 2 INJ gslse fuel setup, well thought out rigged TPS, and whatever manis fit... and you'd be "down the road"... (this assumes you have a center iron with inj bosses, which you'll prob have by the time you swap the bad motor out.)

djmtsu 10-10-2013 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 261948)
(this assumes you have a center iron with inj bosses, which you'll prob have by the time you swap the bad motor out.)

Who said this motor was bad?

FerociousP 10-10-2013 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 261951)
Who said this motor was bad?

just an assumption. prove me wrong!

:ummdance:

GySgtFrank 10-12-2013 08:05 AM

:lurk5: Is this the intermission? Cool project, not many have the brass cojones to tackle one of these as a project. Why not use the FC front subframe swap for the rack and pinion and brakes? Or are the RX-5 frame rails a different width than the FB/FC?

djmtsu 10-12-2013 08:12 AM

From what i know, the FC subfrsme is too wide. I will be utilizing FB big bearing front spindles and struts. This will require wheel adapters in the rear, but thats fine. If someone would measure the mounting point width of an FB/FC subframe for me, I'd have confirmation!

GySgtFrank 10-12-2013 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 262391)
From what i know, the FC subfrsme is too wide. I will be utilizing FB big bearing front spindles and struts. This will require wheel adapters in the rear, but thats fine. If someone would measure the mounting point width of an FB/FC subframe for me, I'd have confirmation!

Hmmm. It just so happens that I have one sitting in the back of the pickup at the moment. Be right back....

... the front mounting holes are 31 inches center to center and rear holes are 31 5/8 inches center to center. If Whizbang can shoehorn one under an RX-2 I would think an RX-5 should be doable.

djmtsu 10-12-2013 08:32 AM

Time for me to measure now! Thanks Gunny!!

djmtsu 10-12-2013 09:40 AM

28 inches.

Of course....

GySgtFrank 10-12-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 262399)
28 inches.

Of course....

Whizbang welded a plate on the frame where he needed to mount the front holes on the RX-2. The rear holes would need a plate anyway to get it at the right height for caster. I would think the bigger concern would be whether the tire would fit under the fender correctly. The FC uses a wider track than the FB and high offset wheels, close to that of the GSL SE. I don't know anything about the overall width of the RX-5, but it looks like it would be plenty wide under there. He has a pretty good write up on this swap in his thread, if you haven't seen it and are interested.

It would be a lot of custom fabrication, but the results and parts availability would be one heck of an improvement.

djmtsu 10-12-2013 10:55 AM

Yes, I've seen his write up. I just don't want to stray too far so that modifications are not reversible.

I wish I could get this thing on a lift, to show how different the suspension is on these, both front an rear.

Up front an 'A arm' style lower control arm, but utilize a spindle/strut like a 1st gen. No tension rod BS. Also, the engine crossmember is independent of the suspension all together (front mount like all old schools).

The rear is a 5 link, like a 1st gen, but places the springs on the LCA's, the shocks bolt to the axle. It also uses a panhard bar instead of a watts linkage.

Billy Waits was spitballing ideas to me the other day about the front. He wants to look into using the FC front control arms, but not the subframe. I haven't looked into it yet, and its been a while since I've been under an FC. My main concern with that option, is the steering. I would have to swap the spindles from left to right to resolve the rear steer on the Comso vs front for the FC. Of course, there is a ton of room up front, so a rack could be mounted, and the steering shaft extended, that way the steering is improved, and the FC stuff stays the same.

Now, what I was thinking, and I don't know if this is possible, is this:

-forget about the FC control arms. See if a ball joint can be used with the Cosmo control arms to use the FC spindle. That also keeps the FC strut. Mount the R&P to the top of the frame rails, since the engine crossmember mounts below the rails (this is also the sway mount FYI).

Ugh.

GySgtFrank 10-12-2013 12:22 PM

It sounds like it is pretty similar to the original 110S Cosmo, but with a solid rear axle instead of the independent rear.

A saying comes to mind. "If you want to run with the big dogs...." :lol:
For what it sounds like you are wanting from the car major changes are going to be inevitable. Especially if the parts availability is getting so bad even the Australia boys can't get them.

One of the things I was trying for with my project was to use as many readily available "off the shelf" parts as I could. SA parts are getting harder to find and it will only get worse. It sounds like Cosmo parts are another order of magnitude in hard to find. Since you aren't going for original restoration, it frees up your hand to use other stuff.

The problem with finding a ball joint is that the FC uses a through bolt and clamping style of fastener for the ball joint to brake/strut lower rather than the more normal tapered and bolted set up. You would almost have to find a way to use the press fit FC ball joints with your lower A arms.

It might be possible to have a plate machined that would bolt in where your ball joints go (if they're a bolt in style) that would allow press fitting of the FC ball joint. Alternatively you could have some lower A arms made (or make them yourself) that would accept the bolt on portion of the FC ball joint.

The next question becomes whether you have the clearance for the brake rotors and dust shields with them there. Then finding out if the FC struts are the right length to allow adequate suspension movement and whether the caster would be altered with the different strut mounts on the lowers. Not insurmountable problems, but annoying nonetheless.

The rack and pinion would be the best way to go performance and parts wise, but you would be getting into difficult to undo changes to the steering shaft to hook it up and the mount for the rack has to be very solid. It could be done by building a new engine mount cross brace that would accept the rack in the right position I would think. Lots of fiddling to get it right though.

The Fox body Mustang rack that Billy used in his kit for the FBs works well for a custom Mazda application, since the frame rails are the same width between the Mustang and FB. They also have plenty of length in the tie rod arms to shorten them up a bit if needed. That and those parts will probably be relatively cheap and available for the next hundred odd years or so. :smilielol5:

djmtsu 10-12-2013 12:33 PM

If oooonly I could weld.....

djmtsu 11-15-2013 10:01 AM

Been collecting parts, disassembling more of the front clip and such.

FC front hubs and brakes acquired. Motor is pulled, and going to Charles' house so we can crack it open and see what's what before I make a call to Atkins.

The Cosmo is supposed to go to a friend for some welding this weekend, and I am going to get a new rear axle assembly........

djmtsu 12-18-2013 02:09 PM

Well, looks like the Cosmo isn't going to DGRR, or anywhere soon. After taking it to a friends shop, and digging deeper into the front end, it needs both front frame rails. From the firewall forward.

He can't build them, and I can't find any. So, until I learn to weld, and then can make my own, this is going to be stuck in a shed somewhere I guess.

Awesome.

lilring 12-18-2013 07:04 PM

Help me throw a motor in the 8 and you can take that to DGRR

djmtsu 12-18-2013 09:02 PM

I have back up cars...

85rx-7gsl-se 12-19-2013 08:09 AM

Rotary powered backup cars? Good idea lol

djmtsu 01-02-2014 05:32 PM

Update:

Engine teardown courtesy of Adler, Charles, Johnny K, and I think I even see Foo.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYdtbM9xV8g

GySgtFrank 01-02-2014 05:45 PM

Somebody needs to give me that REPU in the garage. :drool5:

djmtsu 01-02-2014 06:11 PM

There's actually 3 there...

GySgtFrank 01-02-2014 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 271794)
There's actually 3 there...

You're a cruel, cruel man. :lol:


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