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dudemaaan 10-07-2009 04:46 PM

I'm running an HKS twin power with stock coils, 10 mm wires, and greddy race plugs (rebadged ngk 7420's) heat range 10.

If I was redoing the ignition from stock I would go with a Crane Hi6 and LX92 on each leading plug, and stock coils for the trailing. The twin power does work very well for my needs so I won't be changing it out anytime soon.

I haven't been on a dyno yet but I expect over 500 RWHP. If I was to guess I would say 530 or so, maybe more. I also have a very large street port so that will play a big roll in what you can expect. There's another guy on ausrotary with a similar setup to yours, gt45 on a 13 bt extended port, he made 530 on a street tune and then made 550 after dyno tuning, this was at 25psi. He's going back soon and trying to break 600 with 30 psi.

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 06:03 PM

Well as far as ignition I will be running the accel 300+ ignition boxes with the stock coils for now and next on the list are the greddy plugs. The ignition on the car now is factory and I know it won't keep up with the boost and water combo as the car feels kind of sluggish up top on boost at say 15psi. My logged IAT is around 200 deg. farenheit and that's running the coolingmist kit. Not happy with it right now. I want to at least break the 11's in the quarter with at least 400-450 hp.

dudemaaan 10-07-2009 06:45 PM

What ecu are you running and how much water with the cooling mist kit? And yes those IAT's are outrageous. Dangerous even. What do you have for an intercooler?

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 06:53 PM

I'm running the Megasquirt Ecu and I had the coolinmist almost maxed out on the progressive controller. As far as intercooler this is a 1st gen rx7 so no intercooler just straight from turbo to throttlebody.

dudemaaan 10-07-2009 06:56 PM

Oh thats why your temps are so high. I would try to find room for an intercooler or plan on running meth, either straight or in a mix. You might be able to get the temps down more with enough water, but it's going to take a lot. What size jet comes with the cooling mist?

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 06:56 PM

and also I was able to bring the IAT down to about 185 deg.F but still not happy with it and that was only one time.

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 07:02 PM

the intercooler is a no go. I'm on a tight budget and no job at the moment. as far as the jet I think the kit comes with a 350cc and a 550cc. I have a 550cc post turbo.

dudemaaan 10-07-2009 07:07 PM

I'm running a cheap ebay core 24 x 14 x 3 it works extremely well. I think I did the whole intercooler and piping for under $300. You're going to be fighting those air temps with water only, especially if you want to run some big boost through it. Preturbo should help but I don't know how much. Ideally you want your intake temps closer to 120* F or lower.

If it was me I would probably start with about 1000 cc preturbo jet starting with 30/70 meth water then 50/50 if I needed more. If that still wasnt enough I would go up in jet size.

proz07 10-07-2009 08:04 PM

dudemaaan have you ever had an issue with the water recondensing post turbo in the intercooler or am i worried about a moot issue for the pre-turbo water inj?

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dudemaaan 10-07-2009 09:00 PM

Na, there is so much airflow any water that condenses back in the intercooler is going to be pushed right on through to the engine where it can work it's real magic. Whatever is happening in the intercooler works, and as a whole system it works very very well.

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 10:43 PM

the whole setup for under 300 now I can work with that. I will definitely look into that. What kind of piping are you using? I need it as cheap as possible for right now.

dudemaaan 10-07-2009 10:46 PM

Just universal aluminum piping 2 1/2". I welded them all myself and saved money that way. Make sure to get T bolt clamps to hold the couplers in place, regular hose clamps suck. Pick the most direct route to reduce bends and increase response.

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 10:50 PM

Wow I don't know if I can weld aluminum with just my 120V mig welder. I'll look into it but I'm looking at intercoolers now and they are pretty cheap. They're going for $129.

drewrey2004 10-07-2009 11:06 PM

Ok well for about $250 I can get 24x12x3 with a total length of 30.5" intercooler and 3" universal piping with T-bolt clamps and boots. My concern is the welding. Is it possible to weld aluminum with my MIG welder?

dudemaaan 10-07-2009 11:26 PM

Yes, thats what I used, you will need aluminum wire, and argon shielding gas. It will take some practice but it's easy once you have it all setup. Don't even try without the gas, you will fail. Or you can take it somewhere and have it welded.


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