:lol: nice..

Side note, noticed your from Akron, sorry, lol... most my family lives in/around Wadsworth/Hudson so I go through Akron fairly often. Hope your FC is not an original OH car....:001_005:

muhuhahahahahaha

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Of course you wish that..... who in their right mind would sell an FC???!?!?!!??

I dunno about that but thanks man, I appreciate it. Bill does give it back as good as he takes it though, I do have to say that.... and after the Deals he's gonna get a lot more :rofl:

You coming to Deals? 'Cuz I will definately be there.... I think tomorrow I may try and go for the record, 53 hrs :rofl: Get ahead of the curve before she goes down for 2 weeks.

You're a twisted individual.... I like it ;)

We own rotaries, we all like it dirty, filthy, noxious, oily... yeah... bring it on!!!

Say whhhaaaaaa????? Pics?

From what I understand from the MoTeC notes and data sheets, the Renni OMP is a non feedback OMP and requires a different ECU option. Anything 13B uses the feedback type OMP and that's a basic stepper motor option. The 13B electric OMP is a feedback type stepper, that's how, from what I understand, all the DBW's work, you need redundacy damnit

Pssssshhhhh, my FC was originally a CT/VT car! And we all saw the holes in that chassis

Sexy..... I need my Stage 3's here, noaw damnit!!!!

For the OMP you do need an input signal for position to have it work, however on the Haltech when running an ICV, it does not require the use of another input (as other sensors dictate the need and what not of the valve)--thus it stands to reason that if you can find a means of using the stepper motor without the extra need of an input you could mimic the same stepper motor controls with a predetermined startup routine.

(I was referencing the AAS startup routine in the original post)

[QUOTE=TitaniumTT;143615]Of course you wish that..... who in their right mind would sell an FC???!?!?!!??



I dunno about that but thanks man, I appreciate it. Bill does give it back as good as he takes it though, I do have to say that.... and after the Deals he's gonna get a lot more :rofl:

You coming to Deals? 'Cuz I will definately be there.... I think tomorrow I may try and go for the record, 53 hrs :rofl: Get ahead of the curve before she goes down for 2 weeks.


I can't :( my bitch of an ex-wife is taking me back to court to take the kids from me..Figured she would learn after the first two attempts didnt work :beatdeadhorse5: so paying for lawyer, new house, and putting what little money I have into the LE. I will just have to settle for DGRR 2012!

your thread has so much writing.... i wish there were more pictures =(

well you will definetly be done before me when it comes to that type of upgrade, i keep getting hit with these large bills, i need to get more stabilized again before i can really start buying stuff, i have a feeling my diff is going to sit at daves at least a month before i can go get it

as for the switches, thats next on my todo list, first i need to finish buttoning up this bike so i can deliver it already, once thats done im gonna dive into the basement and locate them and bring the cup holder idea for you at the same time

btw, i just remembered, whats a good company to get a resonator from because i blew out the one we welded in, so that rules out magnaflow and obx, i was thinking borla but there just so pricey im not sure its worth it

i was also thinking about a straight pipe because i dont care how loud the car is, as long as it doesnt resonate inside...bbbbuuuutttt rotaries ive heard without some sort of resonator tend to have a very metallic hollow twang to them, whereas im more fond of my deeper roar...idk

^ you absolutely want some sort of resonator. Don't get me wrong, I loooovve me the sound of a rotary, they really rev my engine (shameless anchorman plug haha). But with a 3" exhaust, no cat, and just a straight through muffler at the end, they are aweful sounding on the street, highway trips become painful, and its annoying around town. I'd get a nice long resonator, even some of the higher end cherry bomb, 3" by 18" will give it a nice sound. The standard glasspack won't last long, but if you weld on vbands, making it easy to change out, they are cheap enough to replace. You can get higher end ones that won't burn up so quickly as well.

Are you could spend more money and get a couple generic 3" HFC's welded in series, that will quiet it down without causing much restriction as well.

i agree with you to an extent, my biggest problem at the moment is that when you blow out a resonator it has a tendency to resonate outwards instead if inwards so the massive amount of droning that occurs in the cabin is almost ear splitting, whereas a straight through would be crazy loud outside, but close the windows and all is well

my personal preference to a resonator is the deeper tone it provides, our biggest trouble is we(turbo) create so much heat and pressure among other things that the average resonator cant withstand it for long..which blows

i had considered getting a cherry bomb, i may just try and find something similar to an OE muffler where the baffles are all metal and does not use glasspacks, nothing to deteriorate

i do like the vband idea, almost like a test pipe lol, and the obx unit i have was cheap enough that i could do that

on a minor side note..surprisingly my obx universal unit i bought off of ebay lasted much longer then the magnablow i bought, i feel that had this been the average car i would have never came across an issue again...makes me wonder why they have such a bad rep

heck brian broke his pipe cutters on it :lol:

I'm positive you'll still have drone even with a straight pipe.

I know its a different engine and all, but I had test pipes (non resonated pipes that replace stock Cats) and outside the car it was like you say, loud, super raspy. And inside the car, awful drone from 2k-5k rpm.

My car has a borla resonator, (what PFS used to use on all their builds), and its been on there since 2004, still works fine today.

Doesn't that get kinda dangerous?

I haven't researched this in detail, so there are a few assumptions...

I know it's a 4-position valve, so it's a 4-pole stepper motor.
Does it have limiters on min (1) and max (4)?
If it has limiters, then it's a little bit safer...
If it doesn't, then you can easily jump from min to max with one errant signal.

There has to be a reason why Mazda went with a feedback signal system.

You would think that the OMP system is important enough to have this feedback system functional.
It does throw a nasty error (which goes into limp-home mode) when triggered.


-Ted

The renni OMP, from what I understand is not a feedback unit, but all the S5+ OMP's are feedback, as are every DBW that I know of. Redundancy on throttle would be a good thing.

That sucks man, sorry to hear it. If you can swing the time off.... enough people will probably front you everything but the reg fee..... We did that witha few guys last year.

There's plenty of pics, but there's also even more derailing attemps :rofl:

Yup yup, been there.... almost getting there now. What I do is keep my whore money seperate for my toys, salary pays the bills and doing it that way, I never seem to go backwards. I moved $1500 last night to cover the check for the BNR's, so no I need to go into the safe, get the cash, and deposit it back into savings. I may float a month or two becuase a few small things popped up, but the larger stuff was budgeted through my whore money.

Cool thanks man. I'm leaving for CA soon, as in the next few days, soooooo are you planning on swinging down this way?

Magnaflow! Been using nothing but magnaflow on my car for 3 years and still sounds great. I hate Borla, they can blow me. I've never had anything Borla fit right, or last. Hell, even on my Jeeps I went with the Borla becuase it was a million mile warranty, and both Borla systems that I put on the car rotted out and broke. I can't decide if I want to swap out the cans for new FREE ones..... (becuase they are actually stepping up, at least they said they would) or spend the coin on 2 V-band sets and a Magnaflow can.

You are so right about needing SOMETHING to quite it down. Turbo's work as a decent muffler... but I can tell you with my Magnaflow midpipe/splitter and two smaller magnaflow cans, the car is quite enough on the highway to have a conversation..... with the windows/sunroof closed which is the opposite of how I roll..... so there's usually no conversations except the occasional...HOLD ON!!!! It'll be interesting having Glenn in the car for 14 hrs rolling down to Deals.... By the way, Collin Dave and Benny.... keep an eye out for my Caravan Thread to pop up in the DGRR section. We're hammering out some details right now but it'll be a Thursday morning caravan down which you may want to get in on.

Yeah, Magnaflow

V-bands are awesome. With a 7/16 and a 12mm racheting wrench, I can drop the entire exhaust (minus the DP) in 5 minutes..... literally.

I don't understand what happened to your magnaflow.... there's no reason for that thing to not last long especially if it was where we put that obx thing. Did you have a sticking injector? running stupid rich? I/m thinking some fuel pooled there and blew the thing out where the obx was put on a tuned car and lasted much longer by default. I've got 15k on my magnaflows and they sound great, so I think the internals are in great shape, but they didn't handle the salt on the rd trip very well. That's my only gripe about them, they need to use a better quality stainless.

Yeah, I think Alex had something to do with that.... guy was attempting to build his exhaust at the same time and I think he trashed them on his before we got to yours. When he got them, they cut through SS like butter, I did the SS exhaust on the Landi a few weekds before and they were just ripping through the 2.5" SS exhaust bends with ease. When I got them back to do yours, they had a hard time cutting through the chrome lining...

Sound familiar?

That surprises me. I didn't like the supports on the 3 complete Borla systems that I bought, did PFS build that themselves using a generic Borla can? My MoTeC buddy up in Mystic bought a Borla system for his Vette, he said the fitment was so abysmal that he paid the shipping out of pocket to return it and buy a magnaflow system that apparently fit like a condom.

From my understanding, that's EXACTELY why the DBW systems have the safety of a redundant TPS in there... to prohibit thing like that from happening.

Also, from my understanding the OMP on the Renni doesn't have a feedback, while the S5+ units do, again, for that reason of it being rather important. Not quite sure why Mazda changed it for the Renni, but I'm sure they have some type of safety involved with it... I agree with ya, it would be foolish not to,

I'm not 100% sure, but I think PFS used to use a generic borla resonator in the midpipe (like mine is) when they did major upgrades (so supports wouldn't be a problem in this case). Not 100% sure though, I guess it could have been a customer request back when my car was built the first time by the previous owner. I've seen the borla on a couple other PFS cars, not sure if they still do it if they ever did.

My exhaust system is: 3" greddy T78 kit downpipe, midpipe with borla resonator (assuming a PFS standard), and HKS system back from there. I still wish it was a little more toned down. I've been thinking about trying to squeeze the largest magnaflow muffler that will fit in where the Borla is.

The other option is to get the cheapest 3" exhaust that you can find (just for the piping being already mandrel bent and fit) and we'll cut out the muffler and add the biggest Magnaflow muffler that we can find. I'm up for that

Only if you're too much of a pussy to go full throttle everywhere. :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl::o16:;):gnorsi:

Well I guess I can try another magnaflow can to replace the obx one, worst case I blow it out again and then I put a horse head in your bed :lol:

Listen... I agree... on the RX8 they could've done without the feedback portion, but this isn't some pussy little 182rwhp car... ok?? :rofl: We were sitting @ 223% of that.... makes cruising through downtown at full throttle a little sketchy... this also isn't some 6port turbo that can only handle like 3 seconds of full throttle before it invents, implements, and engages it's own engine brake :smilielol5:

I like Magnaflow. I've never had a problem with them. My only grip, like I said, is I wish they'd use a better quality stainless, that's all.

My dogs will eat that horse head and nibble on your legs as desert before you get inside ;)

My magnaflow stainless downpipe discolored quickly, which makes me kinda not happy. Also, i've managed to burn up copper gaskets on the exaust flanges, kinda thinking of going vband to eliminate leaks.

Lmfao!!! Nice

Yes I'll probably pick one up asap, before the one I have no gets any worse, right now it's a tolerable drone, turn up the music and it cancels out

When are you going to Cali exactly? Tonight and tomorrow night I'm using a's bike/locate switches time with a side portion of gym lol, and Friday I have a hot date with my lady friend.....which btw likes the ol girl... +1!

If I find everything and ur still here on Saturday I can stop over

Wish I had some. I had the carpet from a couple parts cars in my parents basement until it flooded so they're long gone. It was from an 86, I think base model.

It's stainless, it happens, polish it out?

Big stereo's have thier place, that's for sure/

I will be here saturday with the excpetion of between ~2-4 and I've got to go through all my paperwork and setup my payments for while I'm gone. It is official though, I'm leaving for cali on Sunday, and yes that is a monster +1

That's pretty badass, learn something new everyday.

In for results of your BNR 3 :)

Mee too, gotta get them here first though. Looks like all my ceramic parts were attempted to be delivered today. Interior is almost done, I need to post an updated list fo shit left to do, cuz it's getting smaller!!! WEEEEE!!!!!! I NEED SOME SLEEEPPP!!!!!

Oh look, Bri~bri made a joke

Humor??? what's that??? :rofl:

So I figured I'd give the last official update for the next 12 days anywho as I am now officailly in CA.... weeee!!!!! and all you CA's can suck it, I know it, you know it, you all lie about your weather. Everytime I come here it's cold and rainy..... I should've stayed east.... at least there we get snow.

So anywho... here was the progress over the weekend. I got the new overflow for the fuel cell built and installed.. here it be. This should prohibit the fuel in the cell from expanding and puking out the vent in the fill recess and stripping the paint.... that would be bad... mmmmkay

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300738822

Also finally got the interior back together with this little gem. I installed a 12V power outlet in the glovebox becuase the one on the dash was sketchy at best.... I also went out and bought the 12V adapter for the laptop as well.... so I eliminated the need for an inverter and opened myself up to unlimited tuning in the car..... SCORE!!!!

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300738822

Next was addressing the gaskets in the fuel cell. The ethanol resistant Buna-n sheet gasket that I bought lasted 6 months before the whole thing rotted away, chunck broke off, fuel started spilling out when she was parked with a high ass and a full tank, and of course my fuel filter clogged..... AGAIN.....
When I opened up the tank, I found some discolored and semi-clogged fuel socks. Not wanting to wait alll that long for replacements, i had my guys at Levine cross check some denso numbers and got two new socks... woooot!

So now the cell is installed, leak tested, new filters all around, and just generally ready to kick some ass!

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300738822

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Still need those pictures of the trigger wheels. :lol:

I think you might benefit from some quick disconnects on your fuel tank
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/JIF-31606/

They're coming damnit... we had to run out and grab grub... gimme another minute or 5

I thought about a few things like that, but honestly, there's plenty of room to get an 11/16" and a 3/4" wrench up there to loosen them.

Also on the list of upgraded goodies this winter are new brakes, at all four corners, and a new master and adjustable prop valve and splitter. The problem with the Wilwood masters is that the bolt patern don't line up worth a damn. At least it's off by an evn 90* making the mounting pretty easy, just need to do a little math.

Stock master vs Wilwood 1" bore Master

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300742391

I found an old piece of some structural 3/8" steel that turned out to be the perfect size for the master and adj prop valve to mount to the existing brake booster valve. After all the math and double checking and then rechecking I drilled and tapped the appropriote holes. I obviously need some longer bolts

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300742391

Here it sits before cutting... and as it will sit for the next 12 days :( I really wanted to get that bitch mounted and partially plumbed before I left, but whatever, not a HUGE deal by anymeans... didn't get the engine pulled either, that pissed me off though.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300742391

And here's an oh shit picture. Noticed this when I was mocking up some more things to weld onto my radiator :suspect: Here is the benefit to ducting. The only way for the blades to hit the cage like this is from air pushing them into it. If the fan was on, the blades would be pulled into the core, not the other way around..... I wonder if blasting across the desert @ 130mph had something to do with this?

No matter, I need to build a new shround and use 8" fans x2 becuase of the belly pan I plan on building. So this will go on the ever expanding wall of fame, wall of shame, it dun blowed up shelf...

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300742797

AAAAANNNNNDDDDD just for Vex. I actually have the wheel here with me in case we need to grab a few more measurements. The key measurement though is the ID. I mic'ed the hub up to 3.25" So whatever you feel is adequate clearance to keep the bitch centered, and keep it as strong as possible. 3.26" maybe? 3.255"?

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300742858

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Ah hem....where are my brake parts, lol....

Crap, sorry.... I didn't have access to a comp until this morning, everything else has been via phone and that was a long PM to write out on a small ass keyboard.... expect a call in a bit

Need to know the diameter of the 3 bolt holes. Does not look like the quoted 95mm. Is it on the same 114.3mm as the lugs?