I was wondering how your thread on this lasted as long as it did over there even though, IMO, you were providing a very useful service for all FD owners. If you were just discussing the sensor, but not selling it, I'm sure you would have been OK.

I'm not surprised that it was deleted. Once they made the decision to ban all ads from non-fee-paying entities, they pretty much had to treat everyone the same, no leeway allowed.

Whether or not they should have made that decision, is obviously a very hot topic.

Yeah well it started out as a discussion. I was just trying to get one for myself and post the results of what I found. Then after I found it I listed websites where people could find them online, or if a few people wanted I could go through the same bike shop that I did to save people money. I just wanted other people to try it to gain more knowledge on it. I had no idea it would turn into so many people wanting one.

I made sure to do any transactions through PM. I see it as no different then people mentioning chucks notes and then PMing him to purchase the notes. Or the widefoot swaybar mounts thread I saw after my thread was deleted. Whether they like it or not people will bring up links to non vendors. There are lots of parts that venders don't have. Whether I provide people with a way to purchase them or they got the sensor used off ebay it should still be allowed to be discussed.

I think it really all went to hell once that other guy came in and was blatantly advertising. I personally feel there was a difference in what I was doing and what he was doing. But whatever. No good deed goes unpunished. I don't think it was anything personal, but I also don't think everyone or every situation is treated the same. If it was then one would ever go there anymore.

Well, I don't blame you for feeling annoyed. The moderators over there probably started to get complaints from others about why were you allowed to advertise (even though you were probably not making a significant profit), and they weren't allowed to advertise.

In any case, what happened, happened, and there's not much you can do about it. It's not worth the effort to fight it.

Dave

Yeah true

The other forum kicked me off saying I was selling parts, can you believe that .I got my senser ,Chad ordered two . THANKS I will install it soon ,and yes I painted it silver with Fusion plastic paint .My senser is mounted in the elbow injector bung screwed into a nylon plug that I made in the lathe 10 years ago .No heat soak with the old one,this new one should be very quick .

Wow i didn't know you were kicked off the other forum. I knew you made some different parts, i think a tranny brace? I think as much help and information alot of us bring to the forums that things like that shouldn't be such a big deal. It's not like its spam. But anyway thats why i'm trying to get more members over here.

I'm glad you got the sensors and hope they work out well for ya'll, i'm sure they will! Look forward to hearing the results.

No tranny braces but an engine torque brace plus other things .See the vender section under Garfinkles Motor Works . I to like to see and know what others are doing ,making and finding to improve the cars .The other forum is just money hungery

I had to take my UIM off to do a few things so I decided to add some pics with a small writeup of installing the sensor. I also redid the wiring to add a bosch protective boot to the IAT wiring. Basically cut the old connector off, solder or butt connect the new wires in place. Shrink wrap or tape the connections. I finished mine off with the protective boot and wire loom. My wiring was already extended from when I relocated my stock sensor so I left the wiring long. You can see where the new sensor goes on the 3rd intake runner. That's pretty much it, not much to it.

Be careful not to over-tighten the sensor, and if you can point the sensor so the air flows through the "cage" that is ideal. See pics for the prefered sensor rotation. I also used teflon tape to seal and add a slight heat barrier between the metal and sensor.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n/DSC01089.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n/DSC01090.jpg
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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n/DSC01093.jpg

Nice Write Up! Thanks! :icon_tup:

I put my air temp sensor in the injector bung on the elbow,The old ones came with two injector bungs , I cut one off and put one of my blow off valves there .I made a nylon plug to go in the bung and the sensor screwed in to the nylon .I made a new plug for the new sensor today and mounted it and soldered in the new connector . the black ring on the plug is an o-ring to seal the plug .And yes I painted it silver .

Dude - you got a new order

David and Brent - don't take it personally. Know that the community appreciates your efforts overall regardless of corporate ROI efforts.

Today I went to the fair here in Brenham, TX. I had the car pretty heat soaked from driving slow looking for a parking spot. Was at the fair for about 3 hrs. When I came back out the sensor was reading 48C, I backed out of my spot and in under 30 secs of slowly leaving the temp already dropped to 40c. Got on the highway and it quickly dropped to 33c and held there. I remember with my sanded down stock sensor relocated to the elbow, if it was heat soaked to 48c it would just stay like that. Low speeds would take 10 mins to come down. Highway would drop it faster but still took way too long. Nothing like this new sensor. I was also able to make the temps increase on the highway just by letting off the gas. In mere seconds it would go from 33c to 38c then drop back down as I got back on the gas. So glad I switched the sensor out.

David,
As always your work looks clean and neat. And I like the touch of insulating the sensor from heatsoak through the use of the nylon. But it doesn't look like the sensor would be directly in the air stream. The difference may only be nominal, but ???

1 question...

would it be possible to remove the wire and terminals from the OEM connector and insert them in the new connector? or maybe use molex terminals on the OEM wire and insert them in the new connector? I would like to avoid splicing the new connector.

I'm sure something like that could be done. If you find something that will plug into the stock connector you could use that. The sensor uses a bosch connector just like aftermarket injectors use to give you an idea of what you're working with. I'll look at my stock connector to see what options I can think of. Though I don't know why anyone would ever go back to a stock sensor after using the new one.

My nylon part is cut so the cage of the sensor is in the air stream .As Dude said the air should pass through the cage,I need to check that detail and turn it if needed .

No, I wouldn't want to go back to the stock sensor, just want to retain the stock wiring in tact without any additional breaks/splices in the wires.

Ah gotcha

OK... so how do I obtain one?

I'll send you a pm.

I'm in....... for two actually. However, I have two concerns.

1) I'm running a Motec and need to know the calibration "scales" if you will. Is this a standard Bosch type sensor or what other details can you provide for me.

2) I'd be using it pre-intercooler to monitor charge temps, what is the max temp these can endure. We were afraid about melting plastic so we decided to use a coolant temp probe at first, as you can imagine, the response is abysmal. The datalogs show temp increases when in decel :lol:

I'll try to answer the questions as best I can, and if need be I can do some testing to help fully answer them.

I'm not familiar with motec and the calibrations used. If it helps, the calibrations would be exactly the same as the stock FD iat sensor. I did list the resistance values at 20*c and 80*c earlier in the thread I don't know if that tells you anything or not but here they are.

Tested @68 *F (20c) = 2.27 Ohms
Tested @176*F (80c) = 0.34 Ohms

Given the information in those tests I don't think the temperature will accurately read past 200*F because the resistance will have reached 0 ohms. I think the probe can handle higher temperatures but just don't have the resolution needed to go that high.

The sensor is made by sagem for triumph motorcycles, it does uses a common bosch connector, but I'm not sure if bosch makes any identical sensors or not. I couldn't find any.

What are your pre intercooler temps? I know turbo's are capable of outlet temps over 300*F, but if yours are under 200* F it would probably work fine. Otherwise maybe a fast reacting EGT type probe would work, I'm not sure how accurate they are at temperatures that low is the only issue. Let me know if you have more questions I can help with.

Sensor works GREAT! Easy install and man does it live up to it's name. The sensor after a good heat soak @ 45*C dropped to 36*C in a matter of 45 seconds of driving and by 2 minutes it was back down to 27*C.

Makes tuning my Air Temp-to-Fuel Inj table so much easier.

Great! Glad more people are getting these hooked up, it really is a must have IMO. Did you mount it in the stock location?

I just scanned this thread from the beginning so I might have missed it, but how will the open element style sensors perform long term? Especially with an FD that typically has varying amounts of oil blow-by in the intake tract.
My OEM IAT is already relocated and easy to access, so if it's just a matter of using some contact cleaner on it periodically, then it wouldn't be a big deal. But still curious and maybe something others should consider who still have it in the stock location.

The sensing probe has a protective coating over it so oil residue or methanol etc shoudn't have any effect on it. The only thing that could ever be issue is if something sharp or hard like a rock hit the probe, but in that case you would have much bigger issues then the sensor.

:rofl: Thanks for the quick response. I'm going to call Motec and see if they have a calibration table for it and what they expect the thing to live up to as far as temps. Thanks again.

I pulled my sensor out and clocked it so the moving air will be directed through the cage. Every detail helps. Thanks Dude for the research time.

No problem. Did you notice any difference in reaction time after rotating it a bit?

I will drive it to the crusein Friday if it does not rain,I will see then .

FearNoPiston posted a video on the other forum of him boosting with the new sensor installed, It's kinda blurry but you can get an idea of how fast the sensor reacts. The last number is IAT's. It starts at 36*c and drops to 30*c in 6 seconds and holds steady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaLkVyZlNDw

Jeezuz Brent, seems the Aussies on FDRX7.com have taken to your sensor!!

Got any left??!!

haha yeah still have a few over here. no one has sent a payment yet, but they do seem to be interested. That's good though, they really make a big difference in keeping an eye on air temps. Everyone should have 1!

I'm still waiting on the info you were getting on the connectors...

Well I did find something very interesting. The connector from a Greddy Boost control solenoid fit's perfectly in the stock connector. If we can source those connectors then a pigtail could be made that plugs right in. Alternatively It looks like a small terminal blade connector, or computer pin could be pushed into the stock connector. Something like this. (red)

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...e_Terminal.jpg

Here's Pics of the greddy solenoid plugged into the stock IAT connector. And also a closeup of the connectors on both. The one we need is on the right.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n/DSC01114.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...n/DSC01116.jpg

I found the correct connector and plan on ordering some to make sure it will work. If so then no wiring or modifications will have to be done to the stock harness. The place that has them requires a purchase of 50+ so I requested a free sample and hopefully will hear back shortly.

Thanks. I will get one as soon as all the info is verified.

Alright i have some comeing, also had to order the pin things that go into the connector, will let you know how it turns out.

Any news?