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Judge Ito 01-09-2011 08:27 PM

looks like you ran to the shop and ported the bevel in.. next time. do the bevel all the way around the outer edge of the port. 360 degrees. but you get the point.

To_Slow 01-09-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 137152)
looks like you ran to the shop and ported the bevel in.. next time. do the bevel all the way around the outer edge of the port. 360 degrees. but you get the point.

:puke: Seriously??????? I expect someone that has so much time on their hands to at least come up with better.... wanna try again? Just remember it's Sunday night... last place I want to be is at the shop, I actually prefer the company of my family. Thanks for the entertainment :conehead: the movie we rented sucked.

Judge Ito 01-10-2011 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by To_Slow (Post 137159)
:puke: Seriously??????? I expect someone that has so much time on their hands to at least come up with better.... wanna try again? Just remember it's Sunday night... last place I want to be is at the shop, I actually prefer the company of my family. Thanks for the entertainment :conehead: the movie we rented sucked.

from the pics it looks like you did not bevel the edges, a very critical point when a rotor housing is ported. it seems like you did. the moral of the story was made. everyone needs to port the bevel in after a rotor housing is ported. let's keep it civil. and don't want to ruin your thread, but members need to know the importance of a beveled exhaust port.

mazpower 01-10-2011 02:09 PM

Can this service be applied to plates that have been bridgeported?

NoDOHC 01-10-2011 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge_Ito
from the pics it looks like you did not bevel the edges, a very critical point when a rotor housing is ported. it seems like you did. the moral of the story was made. everyone needs to port the bevel in after a rotor housing is ported. let's keep it civil. and don't want to ruin your thread, but members need to know the importance of a beveled exhaust port.

Thank you sir for your good attitude (diffusing the tense situation) and your concern for the community.

Each has their own take on port geometry - there are a lot of things that are dependant on power goals, etc. Some things are universal to all porting jobs, and Judge_ITO is right about the bevel (especially on the trailing edge of the port). The bevel also helps the flow as the sharp edge will create turbulence.

This nitriding process is a good service to the community.

To_Slow 03-17-2011 12:44 PM

Another set of 13b REW irons received full treatment from Chips Moto,,:)
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Judge Ito 03-27-2011 01:47 PM

question I have. upon rebuilds with the thermal barrier coating. have you seen a drop in water temperature?

To_Slow 03-28-2011 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144942)
question I have. upon rebuilds with the thermal barrier coating. have you seen a drop in water temperature?

Heat treating the plates with nitrating process will not help with cooling, its the same process the factory uses on new plates, minus the coil induction heating on the center of the plates,

Its the same thermal result you will get with any Mazda new plates.

Thanks

Judge Ito 03-29-2011 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by To_Slow (Post 145068)
Heat treating the plates with nitrating process will not help with cooling, its the same process the factory uses on new plates, minus the coil induction heating on the center of the plates,

Its the same thermal result you will get with any Mazda new plates.

Thanks

looks near perfection. have you seen how long this treatment stays on the plates? any tear downs with info?

To_Slow 03-29-2011 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 145166)
looks near perfection. have you seen how long this treatment stays on the plates? any tear downs with info?

I did tore down a engine for a customer at his place do to a stuck/cracked side seal, at about 42k miles on the build,
Took pics with my phone the condition of the plates, there were only visual signs of the travel of the seals but no measurable step wear on the plates.
I would safely assume that these last close to or the same as new OEM plates...
Will have more back to back info with data etc in the future...

Thanks


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Mateepay 06-06-2011 10:29 AM

im curious to know if your service is reserved for 13b engines as i have a 12a i would be interested in having the service done to. i would be interested in an estimate(480)?

JDriftM 06-10-2011 06:52 PM

I have a full set of S4 Turbo Irons and the problem is that they have burn marks on all but one face (which is on the rear side of the center iron), can you re-nitride and then lap these and make them usable again? Or am I looking at a lost cause?

-Tim

To_Slow 06-10-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JDriftM (Post 153799)
I have a full set of S4 Turbo Irons and the problem is that they have burn marks on all but one face (which is on the rear side of the center iron), can you re-nitride and then lap these and make them usable again? Or am I looking at a lost cause?

-Tim

For sure they can be done.

Do email me some pics chipsmotorsports@gmail.com before you decide to send them in.
Thanks

JDriftM 06-14-2011 08:17 PM

I'm still a little ways away. That's awesome to know they're still good.

I'll definitely be in touch.

Thanks!

To_Slow 06-30-2011 12:34 PM

Plates before and after for a forum member :)...

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Pricing and info.... http://www.chipsmotorsports.com/serv...d-re-nitriding

To_Slow 07-05-2011 12:57 PM

Here is another set of irons done for a club member.
T2 housings

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For service and info http://www.chipsmotorsports.com/serv...d-re-nitriding

NoDOHC 07-05-2011 10:50 PM

Why does the center plate look like it is from an NA engine? I can't see the Intake port edge to look for a tapped hole above the ports, but the oil fill is distinctly from an NA engine.

infernosg 07-06-2011 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NoDOHC (Post 157566)
Why does the center plate look like it is from an NA engine? I can't see the Intake port edge to look for a tapped hole above the ports, but the oil fill is distinctly from an NA engine.

That's because it's a N/A filler neck on a S4 TII center plate :D

These look SO MUCH better than they did when I sent them. Awesome work! I can't wait to get these back in my hands.

To_Slow 08-03-2011 10:34 AM

One more set of 13b housings that got saved from the scraper by ChipsMotorsports.com
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To_Slow 08-04-2011 10:58 AM

1 more set of plates to the list :)... 13b plates

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To_Slow 12-10-2011 08:30 PM

Here is a set of 20b side plates done for a customer.


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To_Slow 08-06-2012 09:37 PM

Here is a good example why NITRATE is a must for your side irons if lapped or surface ground .

In these pics you will se a side iron that has been lapped/surface ground without nitrate. It only has 1500 miles. Look at the extreme wear on the surface. It has the same surface wear as a 100k mile side iron. If you Lapp/ surface grind your plates??? Make sure you NITRATE people!!!

https://picasaweb.google.com/chipsmo...eat=directlink


In the link below you will se a side iron that has been lapped/surface ground and nitrate. It only has 17000 miles. You can see that it has no measurable wear on the surface just visual marks made by the side seals and control rings. If you lap/surface grind your plates make sure you nitrate!!

https://picasaweb.google.com/chipsmo...eat=directlink

Thank you
Chip U

To_Slow 08-17-2012 10:48 PM

Some more plates saved from the scraper. :)...

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hiboost 06-06-2014 04:04 PM

Couple of pics claiming improvement does not tell us much. Please explain that process and why whole iron plate is not hardened from the factory?


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