So these would work with the BUR#EQ(P) plugs then, correct?

From my memory they are the same dimension so yes, but will validate that this morning my time and post back. ;)

Just move the damn pump!

Just run the 7420's dude.... the reason I generally rec AGAINST colder plugs is because the ign system isn't up to snuff to properly fire the plugs. Change to colder shitty 6750 I think???? and need to "retune" the car because the AFR's are all over the place, then as you're pulling fuel out you see the EGT's go up... fuck that noise......
These coils I don't see as having a problem.

But I don't wanna! lol I had the mounting bracket welded to the frame with the bolts sticking out, and I don't want to move the pump again and just leave all that exposed. If I could remove the bracket and make it look good like the stock frame again, I'd seriously think about it.

OK!
I did a major redesign config, this is the best I can package it for OEM use.
Tell me what you think? its under 14mm past the front edge of the rotor housing now!
*New engine bracket mount
*New coil spacer mounts
*Re-Oriented COP adaptors

http://i.imgur.com/BHaKMts.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ItLcLBJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dpfkPfy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IPpqBaV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OtFZXHd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bkZBkHP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZHqt4mk.jpg

Wow, I didn't think it was possible to get them any more compact lol. That's pretty awesome.

Necessity is the motherfucker of all invention :smash:

LOL it sure is.

I've said this about a million fucking times.... I REALLY hate making sparkplug wires.....

When can I order the COP adapters :squint:

Yes great idea, I did not think I can supply the COP adaptors alone and (IGN-1A) obviously and people can make up their own mounting arrangements :suspect:

Just finishing off the design LOL (never ending story)!!!! last bit is O'ring sealing ..................... :smilielol5:

http://i.imgur.com/gZQaZWf.jpg

A cautionary note: DIY'ers

My system is precision, IE there is no real weight of the coil assembly on the spark plugs themselves, all of this load is taken by the engine mounting bracket and transferred through the coil mounts to the single fasteners for each module, the spark plug and coil end are 'rubber mounted' through the O-Rings. IF you are going to do your own mounts you will need to do it to precision to allow no loads on the plug ends.

Just a note when I was talking to M&W today (who is kind enough to send me his latest CDI bespoke coil) and I will be designing a system around those for EXTREME Drag and other highest power use that mandates a CDI system.

Here is a rough pictorial position relative to the front plate for those who like real pictures

http://i.imgur.com/XEV97GQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0Ic2ciR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OyciV18.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dLwUzYw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TK6Ve0Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BykzT1Y.jpg

These pictures show the aspects of my design that make it so solid!
The coils spacers are supported against a shoulder thus eliminating 'torque' related movement downwards upwards forces, and they both interlock against each other and butt up against the lower lug of the engine bracket.
Its unfuckable and very very strong, despite its compact dimensions and small fasteners :)

http://i.imgur.com/Z9yBZ7S.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/85kVnZL.jpg

In for a set of the new compact design. I'll just make a bracket for my AC and alternator that clears the coils.

Lance could probably put together a coil with an end to mate directly to the spark plug instead of the HEI top currently on the coil. The expense you'll go through building what you have designed may warrant at least exploring a custom coil. He has many different versions of the coil currently. There may already be something in his catalog that works.

Any chance you can rotate the coils 180* to give more clearance at the front?

Love what you're doing here!

I know it would require redoing the block mount as well, but it would liberate more space.

Wayne @ M&W Ignitions is sending me his new CDI coils so I can do a specific design for these.

For the IGN-1A instead of a bespoke coil end, I'd like to make something that will suit the many thousands of coils out there? prob makes most sense as the coils are inexpensive and would appeal to a majority of people?............ I am open to ideas on that, but a few people like Okada Projects (now IP) are doing modified versions of these that are better than the original so I'd like to keep with using that as my 'Inductive COP option'

Swinging the coil to be vertical means more space, will require new coil mounts and engine mount, I'll work on another version :nopity: :beatdeadhorse5: see what I come up with and how fast I can do it LOL. The issue I see with this is the chassis rail as well as a stupidly long coil spacer/bracket though :( I'll do a quick model of it, but I think it wont really work well.

Hmmmm, I'll have to sleep on this I think :beatdeadhorse5:
Maybe should put some thought into trying to utilize the knock sensor mounting hole, but I don't really want to effect the function of the knock sensor (which would have to be repositioned) but it would get rid of all of the problems with different series of engines and center plates........

Dunno, I have the #1 design locked away (V2 OEM fitment).
This vertical iteration I don't like the long spacing of the coil, lower rail could be issue, I know on my last COP set up shit was very tight down there getting it on and off with the horizontal set up. The center mount would need to be much larger and I'd have to go with a 4 coil mounting fixing method to get over the length of a one piece mount with the coils mounted vertically.

http://i.imgur.com/9WrLKeh.jpg

My gut feel at this stage says that will be the option I stay with, sorry you have to modify stuff, but these coils are very odd in the mounting and size, I'll keep working on it and if I come up with something amazing will post it :lol: I could be wrong though, wont be the first time :) will explore the vertical mounting options.

OK I have tried every permutation of angle offset on the COP adaptors and IGN-1A and stacking vertically is a fucking nightmare, because the coils are Asymmetric it means there is very odd arrangements for the Fr and Rr coil modules (and it just looks shit house as well). :9898: The is no elegant solution available around that coil design except to mount them horizontally as I have in my compact 2nd version.

If packaging space is an issue I'd say stick with ign leads and where ever you mount your coils, or go race car spec, or wait till I design the CDI (latest gen M&W coil version).

The IGN-1A style coils are just fucked for packaging as you can see. :dunno: done the best I can with it, so unless I dream of a solution then this will be it for these........................

http://i.imgur.com/wwYc1Xe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/59kuZXR.jpg

I would be interested in the 2nd version. I like the more compact design.

I'm paying attention. Chris (Ludwig) knows a setup like this would benefit me. It's too bad the Series 4/5 center housings don't have that little bolt hole though. Using the knock sensor hole isn't a bad idea for those using a cheaper engine management system like me.

That's 90*. I said 180*. :). In the original version the long side of the coil is facing forward. Flip it so the long side is toward the back. My guess is it still won't provide enough room for the AC compressor. I tried this a couple years ago. It's tight in there!

You end up with some interference between the coil tabs in one orientation and in the other (offset) I'll need the bevel one edge of each coil spacer mount .......... :banghead:

See what I can come up with, this way will clear as best it can and not interfere with heater coolant pipe as well, otherwise I would have spun it other way!

http://i.imgur.com/UPv7duJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZRDnycE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2cdcshF.jpg

And this way the coils smash into each other and there is ZERO room for a mount on the center plate...........

http://i.imgur.com/55KfRGD.jpg

Not possible to fit a proper mount in ~6mm space (plate + fastener).... well I would not feel good about it, I could recess something in not a worry I suppose, but add to that you will need to file down the tabs on the IGN-1A's as well as there is interference there too.

http://i.imgur.com/GkudmR0.jpg

Looks awesome Peter!! Count me as down for the compact V2, adapter and mounts =)

I'd be interested in just the COP adapters. I have a Series 4 center plate without the center mounting point so the interference isn't really a problem. I'm sure I could come up with something that uses the knock sensor locations.

So it's confirmed that the PS and AC pumps would be in the way of this on the REW?

I don't think anyone has validated that yet?
I do have all those systems stored away, if I get time will pull them out and mount to front plate and have a look physically at the potential interference :ugh2:

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These coils are shit for fitment, so looks like V2 system is for people who are willing to move shit around to suit or run a car that is more 'race spec'

ONLY thing I can do to try to suit (well at least a 13B-REW rotor housing) is go for a knock sensor based central mounting method, this means can use the system on 1,2,3,4,5,6................. 25 rotor applications with ease, Will stack these coils 'vertically' and come up with a system like that, I think I will do the same with the M&W CDI coil as well, however! its got its own issues.

p.s. That shit wont work, I can run an analysis on it but will have to run a 'stupid' size mounting system as there is a big canter lever effect from that fixed point, would be vastly more complex as well I wont totally dismiss it, but my brain is telling me its going to be an abortion.

I have thought of EVERY permutation and the below is the ONLY one that is viable, need some input if people are interested in me developing it?
Involves cutting off one of the tabs on all four coils (simply at the edge of the sleeve), then it will allow placement as per below and clear everything.

The coil bracket spacers will be 154mm long between centers and obviously new (13B-REW) engine bracket required.

I'll start fucking around with it anyway to show what I am thinking and that way you can decide if its what you want.

:beatdeadhorse5:

http://i.imgur.com/y5UqKne.jpg

Working on V3 (vertical placement) :suspect:

http://i.imgur.com/VwUCS3T.jpg

Oh OK. The reason I said that was because Monkman was talking about making brackets to make it work for him, so I assumed it didn't fit. I'm certainly not asking YOU to do it, not after all the work you've put in already. If I was home I'd check on it myself. Honestly I like V2 the best. I doubt it will ever get more compact and optimized than that. I honestly think it would work with the AC and PS too, but maybe not. I'm not home to look at it. I'm planning on using dual knock sensors so I wouldn't get that one anyway, even if you did make it. So if V2 doesn't fit, oh well. I guess I'll have to pass. I'm hoping it does though.

Curious about placing things vertically :suspect::naughty::awesome:

It looks fucking killer though Peter :icon_tup:

Will make room on the 2

You C-U-N-T-S are killing me :(
BUT I think this is the best one yet!
Before poofters start, ALL the coils are supported by the DON MEGANESS of my detail design, even though its one bolt now, they butt up against the internal shoulder of the boss (in this case the Fr vert mount) am working on the other one now and smash in some holes etc and will post the V3 finished product soon.................... :fawk:

http://i.imgur.com/rFZic4T.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jxRpQG5.jpg

You know you love it!

OK

V3 vertical version
This will involve trimming off one tab on each coil.
Mounting is perfect, same merits as V2, full supported (detail in coil spacer mounts) and interlocked in engine bracket mount.

I officially call this the H for homo version cause its a big letter H :smilielol5:
Made especially for my friend Brian ;)

http://i.imgur.com/6KCuVxs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Rfm2TwD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mBRitmt.jpg

If this does not clear everything rip the c-u-n-t out and put in a chev :Chevy_anim:

Updated, more detailed pics.....

http://i.imgur.com/3d7rCv3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ke9pUoV.jpg

Im glad i came across this. I was just thinking the other day on my 20b how nice it would be to have COP.
With that said I really want to do this now.