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calicrewchief 01-29-2010 01:49 AM

You get those wheels mounted yet? Pics!:willy_nilly:

RETed 01-29-2010 05:19 AM

The FK452's are the old Falken GR-beta's?
I think they are...
These are old tech and don't expect top-notch dry performance out of them.
The harder rubber should get your good mileage though, but rubber softness (and thus performance) is inversely proportional to mileage.
There's a lot better stuff out there, but I'm sure you got a really good price on these.

These can't hold a candle to the RT615's, since the RT615's are almost a (dry) competition tire.

The siping should give you great rain performance though.


-Ted

FC3S Murray 01-29-2010 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calicrewchief (Post 108356)
You get those wheels mounted yet? Pics!:willy_nilly:

Soon man..very soon. Just waiting on 1 center face to come back from powder coating.

Quote:

don't expect top-notch dry performance out of them.
The harder rubber should get your good mileage though, but rubber softness (and thus performance) is inversely proportional to mileage.
That is the exact reason I bought them. I want some life out of these. As for grip I have read numerous reviews that said these out perform most UHP tires to include the BFGoodrich G-force sports, Nitto NT555's, Bridgestone Potenza Grids(crazy but found many reviews stating this) and Copper Zeon 2XS.

The only UHP tire that compared that I was up in the air with was the Yokohoma S.Drives....Falkens were cheaper at this outlet I went through so that made a my mind considering I "saved" 120.00.

I HOPE these FK452's do not dissapoint, if they do TRUST me evryone will hear about it.

I really wanted some Yokohoma ADVAN Neova AD08 but they were very very pricey.

FC3S Murray 01-29-2010 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RETed (Post 108358)
The FK452's are the old Falken GR-beta's?
I think they are...


-Ted

Actually these are the replcement for the old FK-451's. I guess they have came a long way since the 451's.

WE3RX7 01-29-2010 10:25 PM

I was going back through your thread and didn't see if you posted it, but what size are your equips? I 17x? and what offset, just curious since I'm shopping wheels right now.

need RX7 01-29-2010 10:34 PM

I was in Discount Tire today with a friend, getting tires for his pimp-mobile (84 Park Avenue), and I overheard the guy behind the counter recommend the FK452s to someone. It reminded me of this thread, and thus caused me to go off on an incredibly long tangent describing how much I like Work Equips :lol:. Looking forward to a review on those, I'm thinking about getting some myself. I have pretty much the same criteria as you; something that performs well, but still lasts long enough to be practical and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Still lovin' the Equips btw :lol:.

FC3S Murray 01-30-2010 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WE3RX7 (Post 108451)
I was going back through your thread and didn't see if you posted it, but what size are your equips? I 17x? and what offset, just curious since I'm shopping wheels right now.

17x8 +29 17x9 +28, I wuld have liked +35 for a little more lip but these have plenty and will fit "hella flush":)

Quote:

I was in Discount Tire today with a friend, getting tires for his pimp-mobile (84 Park Avenue), and I overheard the guy behind the counter recommend the FK452s to someone. It reminded me of this thread, and thus caused me to go off on an incredibly long tangent describing how much I like Work Equips . Looking forward to a review on those, I'm thinking about getting some myself. I have pretty much the same criteria as you; something that performs well, but still lasts long enough to be practical and doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Still lovin' the Equips btw .
Thank buddy! I hope they perfrom well and cool thing is once i get my final break-in mileage on my engine my tires will be broke in too:icon_tup:

TitaniumTT 01-30-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 108480)
17x8 +29 17x9 +28, I wuld have liked +35 for a little more lip but these have plenty and will fit "hella flush":)

Higher number offset will result in a slightly less lip, but we're only talking about a few mm here. I'm running the x8 +35 and x9 +35 and they are a little more recessed in the wells (which is why I didn't have to roll any fenders) and they have a little less lip to them, but that's also kinda dependant on the spoke design as well.

I kinda want to try some small spacers to see what happens as they could be a little more flush. In reality though I'm gonna hold off until I can sport for some 17x8.5 and 9.5.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 108480)
once i get my final break-in mileage on my engine my tires will be broke in too:icon_tup:

Sean, we need to talk about this :smilielol5:

FC3S Murray 01-31-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 108490)
Higher number offset will result in a slightly less lip, but we're only talking about a few mm here.

hmm that is strange. I was looking at rotarybeat's Equips and he runs +35 and his have more lip. My works must have a slightly different lip design. His center caps are a different style as well. WORK must have did some changes through the years with the wheel type.

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Sean, we need to talk about this
I know I know....if it wasn't for that damn V-Band issue of mine I would be damn near there. That put me down for the last month of nice weather....then I HAD to tinker with my bushings and wheels lol

I think it worked out since WOT tuning would have blowed on new tires with no break in :)

WE3RX7 01-31-2010 09:38 PM

I'm so impatient for these wheels right now, lol...

Looking forward to seeing them finished up and on the car!

FC3S Murray 01-31-2010 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WE3RX7 (Post 108644)
I'm so impatient for these wheels right now, lol...

Looking forward to seeing them finished up and on the car!

YOU ARE!?:rofl: HELL I am going crazy!!! I am assembling them all tomorrow night then from there all I need to do is order my BC coilovers once the tax return gets in by mid Feb. I hate being patient and responsible....I could just buy the fuckers now but I like my penis attached to my body...NOT cut-off and in my wife's hand:o11:

If this fucking 20,000'' of snow doesn't melt the only pics you guys will get are in-garage shots.

WE3RX7 02-01-2010 06:53 AM

Ha - understandable. We keep getting hit by snow too, its almost like mother nature doesn't want virginia to have weekends... snows on Friday and saturday enough to jack up your sunday and monday as well. Calling for more tomorrow and again this weekend. My garage is a MESS right now too so I can only have the FC in, the RX8 is getting frozen!


So we wont see pics of it on the car until mid/late Feb now? damn.....

FC3S Murray 02-01-2010 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WE3RX7 (Post 108672)
So we wont see pics of it on the car until mid/late Feb now? damn.....

Yep.......it blows but it will be here in no time

RETed 02-01-2010 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 108361)
That is the exact reason I bought them. I want some life out of these. As for grip I have read numerous reviews that said these out perform most UHP tires to include the BFGoodrich G-force sports, Nitto NT555's, Bridgestone Potenza Grids(crazy but found many reviews stating this) and Copper Zeon 2XS.

Have zero experience with the B.F. Goodrich stuff, as the only I have personally run was 1st gen Comp T/A's a LONG time ago...

The Nitto NT-555's are CRAP.
Dunno if you know this, but Nitto is the sister company of Toyo.
Toyo "hands down" all their old or second-tier technology to Nitto.
The "NT-555R" is an exception, as these are the old Nitto drag radials - same compound as the Toyo RA-1's.
I have no experience with the new NT-01's.

The Grid's are CRAP.
I've had these, and they are disappointing.
Looking at the prices in Japan, these are not top-tier tires.

Zero experience with Cooper and don't intend to try anything American made anytime soon...

Now, don't take my words personally.
I try to run the best tires on my cars.
I've run Toyo RA-1's and currently have Bridgestone S-03 Pole Positions.
I have a set of Yokohama Advan AD-07's in my room waiting to be mounted.
This gives you an idea of what I think are "good" tires.
All of these are either competition tires or top-tire tires at one time.

Other tires I have direct experience in the past...
Bridgestone RE-71's - best at the time, but super soft compound
Dunlop SP-8000's - liked them a lot for the price and dry performance, but not the best
Yokohama AVS intermediates - didn't care too much for them, but a lot of other people did; I like the Dunlop SP-8000's as a slight edge of the AVSi's
(Above are all discontinued.)
Micheline Pilot Sport SX - nice tire but really expensive!


-Ted

RETed 02-01-2010 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 108611)
hmm that is strange. I was looking at rotarybeat's Equips and he runs +35 and his have more lip. My works must have a slightly different lip design. His center caps are a different style as well. WORK must have did some changes through the years with the wheel type.

TTT is right - lower the number should give you more lip.

The only other thing I can think of is that one of you is running the "DDC" lip design?
Work offered the DDC lip back then - it's a funky design that countersunk the bolts into a curved outer lip.
The advantages of the DDC lip is that it was stronger, but it takes away from the deep-lip look.


-Ted

FC3S Murray 02-01-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RETed (Post 108713)
TTT is right - lower the number should give you more lip.

The only other thing I can think of is that one of you is running the "DDC" lip design?
Work offered the DDC lip back then - it's a funky design that countersunk the bolts into a curved outer lip.
The advantages of the DDC lip is that it was stronger, but it takes away from the deep-lip look.


-Ted

Nope they are not counter sunk. I have seen that design online(look at black equips pic below). I was comparing some Work Equip pics on RBwheels today and there seems to be two slight different styles of the 5 straight spoke design(not the curved one resembling the Meisters). The "style" that Rotarybeat purchased has a slightly longer spoke design and a thinner lip "face" the bolts go against. My Equips have more lip "area" and the spokes seem slightly shorter.

Check out pictures...mine is the 1st , rotarybeat 2nd

Notice how rotarybeat's equips bolt heads are very close to the lip face edge.Our wheels use the same bolts. hmmmmm

FC3S Murray 02-01-2010 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RETed (Post 108712)
Have zero experience with the B.F. Goodrich stuff, as the only I have personally run was 1st gen Comp T/A's a LONG time ago...

The Nitto NT-555's are CRAP.
Dunno if you know this, but Nitto is the sister company of Toyo.
Toyo "hands down" all their old or second-tier technology to Nitto.
The "NT-555R" is an exception, as these are the old Nitto drag radials - same compound as the Toyo RA-1's.
I have no experience with the new NT-01's.

The Grid's are CRAP.
I've had these, and they are disappointing.
Looking at the prices in Japan, these are not top-tier tires.

Zero experience with Cooper and don't intend to try anything American made anytime soon...

Now, don't take my words personally.
I try to run the best tires on my cars.
I've run Toyo RA-1's and currently have Bridgestone S-03 Pole Positions.
I have a set of Yokohama Advan AD-07's in my room waiting to be mounted.
This gives you an idea of what I think are "good" tires.
All of these are either competition tires or top-tire tires at one time.

Other tires I have direct experience in the past...
Bridgestone RE-71's - best at the time, but super soft compound
Dunlop SP-8000's - liked them a lot for the price and dry performance, but not the best
Yokohama AVS intermediates - didn't care too much for them, but a lot of other people did; I like the Dunlop SP-8000's as a slight edge of the AVSi's
(Above are all discontinued.)
Micheline Pilot Sport SX - nice tire but really expensive!


-Ted

Thanks for the info man! Very appreciated

project86 02-01-2010 10:36 PM

i really liked my nitto neogens. they were cheap and sticky. they held up pretty well too. i abused the piss out of them. keep in mind i was non turbo at the time lol. annndd thats the first set of performance tires ive owned. im lookin into the nitto nt-05s for my build now.

RETed 02-02-2010 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 108727)
I was comparing some Work Equip pics on RBwheels today and there seems to be two slight different styles of the 5 straight spoke design(not the curved one resembling the Meisters). The "style" that Rotarybeat purchased has a slightly longer spoke design and a thinner lip "face" the bolts go against. My Equips have more lip "area" and the spokes seem slightly shorter.

Check out pictures...mine is the 1st , rotarybeat 2nd

Notice how rotarybeat's equips bolt heads are very close to the lip face edge.Our wheels use the same bolts. hmmmmm

Ah, never saw those in a long time...
Yeah, the Work Equip model was redesigned at one point.
The 1st pic is an early version of the Equip.
The 2nd pic is a later (more popular / easily available) version of the Equip.

Side note, even the Work Meisters were redesigned at one point with the two versions slightly different looking.


-Ted

FC3S Murray 02-02-2010 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RETed (Post 108820)
Ah, never saw those in a long time...
Yeah, the Work Equip model was redesigned at one point.
The 1st pic is an early version of the Equip.
The 2nd pic is a later (more popular / easily available) version of the Equip.

Side note, even the Work Meisters were redesigned at one point with the two versions slightly different looking.


-Ted


Damn, I knew it! I would have liked the longer spoke ones BUT I can live with these rare original design. It will look good regardless. :icon_tup:

project86 02-08-2010 12:39 PM

did you get your coilovers yet?

FC3S Murray 02-08-2010 07:52 PM

Two weeks.

project86 02-08-2010 08:42 PM

im ordering mine as soon as i get my tax money. ya!!!! oh and i found my camera. its in my tool box. i was shittin chickens man.

project86 02-12-2010 02:32 PM

sean do you have your wheels mounted yet?

FC3S Murray 02-12-2010 08:26 PM

lol nope not yet. I had to send back some bolts for my LAST WHEEL to VRWheels since they sent me the wrong size. I will be ordering the coilovers on Tues and putting the rubber on and balancing via Matt on next monday.

I am sooooooooo anxious!!!!

FC3S Murray 02-23-2010 06:49 PM

UPDATE:

So this post may be a dick tease BUT I am still awaiting BC to ship my coilovers. I went through Gripmotorsports.com and Megan there has kept me up to date evryday until BC gets their shit together and gives me MY DAMN C.O's!

I did however get the skin put on my wheels. I really wish I would have researched some more in regards to WORK redesigning the Equips. I personally like the re-designed ones better BUT don't get me wrong...these things are f*cking sick in person. I just think the center 5 spoke is a wee bit on the small side(diameter) compared to the elongated spokes on the newer Equips.

Never-the-less
(please excuse the shitty phone-pic...my wife lost our camera)


http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...elswrubber.jpg



I also purchased some MMR Rear Camber Adjusters.
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Murray/mmr.jpg
I have almost been acting as a liaison for disgruntle past customers TO MMR due to these breaking. I have resolved some issues with MMR in regards to customer service and they have given me insight to improvements on the product due to customer reports. Keep in mind most breaks are from improper torque/installation.... I hope and time will tell :)


I will have pic's of the FC on the ground when I get my coilovers ASAP.


Next little project is installing AUX inj. :) :)

FC3S Murray 02-26-2010 11:30 AM

So BC Racing contacted me and it looks like it is going to be a 2 1/2 week wait. The coilovers are on a pallet being flown from Japan as we speak. That is a 4-5 day process to them then a 4-5 day shipping time to me......sucks but hell, the weather is still shitty so I guess I am in no rush.


I have been doing much research on AUX injection and am just trying to get my shit together so when I order my kit I will have the correct nozzle size/support equipment.

I am undecided if I want to run 1 nozzle OR run 2 nozzles-1 in each
front and rear outboard runner of the UIM
If do go 1 nozzle I am having a hell of a time deciding where I want to mount it and what angle so it evenly distributes to both rotors.

I think the dual set-up would be sweet but I do believe it would be a bit overkill since I just want to run a small nozzle with a 50/50 mix to keep knock down and AIT temps safe.
I really do not plan on running monster amounts of boost, maybe 18 psi on the dyno just for shits and giggles BUT 15 psi on the street.

MMR camber links are installed and I have to say I really like the design. The adjustment nut is easily accessable and the machining/ clearances on this product are pretty damn impressive. Hopefully they last.

Max777 02-26-2010 07:55 PM

You should have bought Stance coils... woulda been there a lot sooner and you = hella happy!

However, since you didn't, i hope all goes well, it was still an ok choice for suspension.

FC3S Murray 02-26-2010 11:10 PM

Funny because I have heard that stance is not as nice as quality as BC. Either way I am just happy to finally own a pair. :)

TitaniumTT 02-27-2010 01:21 AM

Meh, I'm happy with my stances. Be warned though, this might apply to the BC's, if your tires are sticky enough the rear trailing arm will flex enough on hard turns and chew into the housing on the C/O At idle there's a decent gap, but put enough load on that sucker..... bad things will happen :'(

Stance was the only budget C/O that I have ever seen shock dyno's for, and they were consistent, that's why I went the stance route.... that and Rishie got me a deal that I couldn't pass up with an extra set of springs :D

FC3S Murray 02-27-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 111345)
Meh, I'm happy with my stances. Be warned though, this might apply to the BC's, if your tires are sticky enough the rear trailing arm will flex enough on hard turns and chew into the housing on the C/O At idle there's a decent gap, but put enough load on that sucker..... bad things will happen :'(

Good to know Brian, I will have to ask one of my buddies here in town who has some BC's installed on his FC. He drives it very hard and has had those C/O's for 3-4 years now.

MAN I am sorry to see all that rot under your FC....really blows. Knowing you though, you'll find a way to patch it up and make it look better then it came out of the factory. :icon_tup:

TitaniumTT 02-28-2010 01:23 AM

Yeah, def ask him about it... it's serious hard cornering though. As in my tires were rubbing the heat shield on the muffler! That's alot of flex. I ALMOST went and swapped the rear swing arm bushings for the AWR bearing version to take car of it.

Thanks man, I'm around the corner, over the hump, and I'll have some pics up in my Diary Thread, lemme know.... I think I did the factory proud :rofl:

FC3S Murray 03-12-2010 01:55 PM

..............I am losing my fucking mind! BC Racing contacted me today and said the coilovers won't even ship until Monday. I have been waiting a month...not cool.

However I have almost got my water injection research wrapped up and am pretty confident in what I want to run in my set-up.

The weather is getting very nice and I am losing my patience....I could be putting miles on the motOr:beatdeadhorse5::banghead::cuss::o10::66::36:

project86 03-15-2010 10:40 PM

....i didnt know moter was spelled with an e.....:suspect:

FC3S Murray 03-16-2010 01:34 PM

F. O.

project86 03-19-2010 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 112818)
F. O.

Sean im gonna ignore that... lucky for you. Im requiring you to let me know when you get your BCs so i can come over and drool on them.

FC3S Murray 03-20-2010 05:37 PM

Found my damn camera so here are some pics in high qaulity:icon_tup::icon_tup:

Pic of the install of my Black Energy Suspension bushing kit and a Racing Beat Front sway bar. I installed all the bushings except for the rear lower contol arm WHICH worked out to my advantage since you CAN'T have the MMR rear camber adjusters installed unless you have the factory bushing installed OR a sperical bushing since polys will not budge causing binding issues

Gave me a chance to clean up down there too...................

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture004.jpg

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...cture002-1.jpg

** little tip here for anyone going to install E.S. Bushings for the rear sway bar endlink: You have to install the top bolt inboard-to-outborad or it will hit your body pinch weld
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...cture008-1.jpg


Here are the MMR rear camber adjusters installed on the car. They adjust ON the car btw......
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...cture001-1.jpg


Since I was in a polishing mood with the wheels my Mothers Alum Polish found its way to my compressor housing too :)
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture013.jpg

and the intercooler piping ( I need to start working on cleaning up the damn clutter in my engine bay)....
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture015.jpg

FC3S Murray 03-20-2010 05:37 PM

Wheel Shots

closest "on the car" shots I can give you for now:)

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture005.jpg

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture006.jpg

some outside shots

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture007.jpg
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture009.jpg

Rear Wheel 17x9 +28
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture011.jpg

Front Wheel 17x8 +29
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture012.jpg


Think I should put them on the Wife's Rouge.....:lol:
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...Picture010.jpg

Gregory Casimir 03-20-2010 05:56 PM

^^^they actually look pretty dope on the rouge lol

project86 03-21-2010 12:47 AM

i dig it


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