Project86- My first (and probably not the last) Rebuild

[project86]

Ok... so i parked the 7 this weekend:(. obviously a sad day. i finally got my dd... which i am a little embarrassed to say its a honda. but im using it for what its meant for :001_005:. im not sure how often i can update being that my baby is an hour away. but updates will be available AND this rebuild is not on the "other" forum haha.... so this is it, im in for the long haul.:driving:

[Phoenix7]

welcome and thanks for the support....can't wait to see the progress. It's taken me 5+ years to get where I am today....don't stress, it'll get done.

[TitaniumTT]

pffft - noobies. I'm 12+ years deep at this point ;)

So whats in store for this rebuild. Anything special, swaps perhaps. We demand details or you will be found and hung up by your pubes.

[FC3S Murray]

pffft - noobies. I'm 12+ years deep at this point ;)


What did I tell you Kyle? Just wait until you decide to do your REW swap.:001_005::):)

[Phoenix7]

pffft - noobies. I'm 12+ years deep at this point ;)

So whats in store for this rebuild. Anything special, swaps perhaps. We demand details or you will be found and hung up by your pubes.:o11: damn, that's forever! I thought I was feigning for boost can't imagine what you felt.

[djmtsu]

I'm with TT, bought my first 1991 Brave Blue FC in 1997.

I tried to sell my FC, but the wife wants me to keep it and rebuild it. I can't get away from these damn things!!

[FC3S Murray]

It has been 6 years for me so far

[vex]

pffft - noobies. I'm 12+ years deep at this point ;)

So whats in store for this rebuild. Anything special, swaps perhaps. We demand details or you will be found and hung up by your pubes.

Damn show off... I'm only 3 years in come end of august.

[WE3RX7]

I'm glad you at 12 years, i'm on year 8 total, year 3 on this build...

[project86]

Titanium... honestly... and Murray will back me up on this.. i plan to do and have been planning to do the RE swap. i will start aquiring parts as i have the funds. and after lookin at yours its soundin real good to stick with the sequential set up. im going to start on exterior. plans as of now for that are to strip the whole thing, clean, prep for paint and i want to go pearl white. i want to do something with the interior as well. probably black with custom guage set up and so on. please feel free to shoot me opinions.. im all for constructive criticism.



Sean i fo sho will take my time. i want to do this right. i am plannin on having someone do the engine rebuild for me once i get the RE since i have never done it before. however i plan to tear down the good ole na when i pull it and see how she looks after all these years. ill probably use it as practice for disassembly and reassembly and possibly some porting experience.

Titanium.. i noticed on your thread that you mentioned something about doing rebuilds? did i read that right?

[TitaniumTT]

Here is what I would do........... honestly my route looking back was way too expensive. I went with the sequentials becuase it was a pipe-dream from when I was 18 that was fueled by a lot of people saying that it either wasn't worth it, or couldn't be done. Telling me it can't be done is like daring me to do it. About a month after I bought my FC a buddy worked at a dealership. He called me up and said he got an FD in that I had to drive. So I went down there under the guise of trading my FC in for the FD and we went for a test drive. I got out, semi-erect and proclaimed that one day, that engine, or those turbo's would be in my car. That's one of the reasons that I did what I did. The other being a bunch of people telling me that the sequentials can't be controled and the third being that I auto-x. Big power isn't really necessary for auto-x's but linear power is. The sequentials deliver that.

Obstacles to overcome when using the 13B-RE with the REW twins are
1) plumbing the oil and coolant lines
2) plumbing all the vac lines and more importantly memorizing them and knowing which line does what and for what purpose
3) building or using a vac and boost chamber
4) mounting all the solenoids or finding Rob Bailey and buying his (I GOT REALLY lucky)
5) intercooler piping - it all has to be custom and retardedly tight
6) exhuast, all custom
7) harness for the engine, the sequentials etc etc is pretty elaborate and needs to be custom
8) and then the normal shite that you need for any swap.

In my eyes, the only way that you're going to be able to control the sequentials properly if they're on the wrong engine is going to be with an ECU that can control and operate all of the solenoids individually. I say this becuase the RE is pretty different from the REW in a few respects. Intake plenum size, runner length, the EMAPs I'm sure are different as well as the pumping velocity/effiecency of the engine. This all means that the turbo's are going to react differently. The factory has the transition set ~4500. I can tell you mine will be substantially less. This all adds up to the stock ECU won't control them, and I HIGHLY doubt the PFC will either ( the PFC has it's own set of problems running on the RE but not the REW). That leaves, at least when I was doing the research, one option - Motec M820. Which when all is said and done will run you approx $8,000. It is far and away though, the best ECU that I have ever seen and I know alot of proffesionals agree with me as well.

That being said, there are a few people that have run the sequentials with the Haltech, however, in talking with them the transition is much less than desireable. One guy was running it at stock levels and he said flatout it's like a kick in the ass when the 2nd turbo comes online, pretty lame if you ask me. The other was running 15-16psi, dropping to 12ish and then hitting 16 psi again. My goal, and you can only do this with the Motec, is to control all the different solenoids individually and get a transition that is smoother than the factories. This is something that Dave @ KDR is really looking forward to playing around with as am I. The control that the Motec offers cannot be compared to anything. <- That's a period meaning this statement is done with ;)

So, now you're looking at a choice..... $8000 for an ECU that is garunteed to work properly, change the turbo choice, or change the engine. When I was looking at turbo's trying to justify my choice for running the twins, it was pretty easy - 3 years ago. The single turbo's that were available then couldn't match the low end torque of the twins (I'm making 15psi by 2500rpm) but they could easily match the high end power goals that I had - 380. A GT32R will hit that max RWHP but when you lay the dyno graphs over each other, the twins make more HP and more tq down low. At least that was the case a few years ago. In talking with a few people recently, there are turbo's out now that can come a little closer. So, is your goal response, or power? Mine was, and still is response. If you can deal with power coming on a few thousand RPM later, I would really consider a single for the cost and simplicity advantage. If you want response, there really is no subsitute.

So we're back to a choice, change the turbo, change the engine, or spend a shitton of money on an ECU. If you really want to use the twins I would consider using the REW engine. People bitch and moan about the mounting problems associated with it but to me it's pretty easy - weld a crossbeam of steel to the subframe, drill some holes, weld in some round tube stock for the bolts and be done with it. Basically copy the FD's subframe mounting. It seemd simple to me yet people constantly build these ridiculously complicated mounts that run from the back of the engine up to the FC mounting location that loads the hell out of the mounts. Not to mention that by moving the mounting point of the engine back, you'll handeling will benefit from it as well. Not as much as moving the engine back to that point but where that load is on the chassis is moved farther back as well. To me, mounting an REW in an FC is something that is way simpler than people willl have you believe. Shit, you could even take the REW center iron to a machine shop and have it drilled and tapped, use the FC oil pan and complete stock mounting.

I mention doing all of that for a reason. You could, with minimal effort, and there are a few write ups on it, use a PFC in the FC. Banzai has done it before. Call up Ray Crowe or if you're as lucky as I am Mazda Motorsports and order a brand new REW engine harness. A friend of mine WAS selling one, I'm not sure if he still has it but that answer is a txt msg away. So, to me, the easiest and most effeicient and ACCURATE way to use the twind in an FC is to drop an REW into the car, buy a PFC and a new engine harness, splice everything together electrically and get it done for about 25% of the price that I paid. Thinking back, that would've probably been the better way to go but, whatever, things to think about when planning out a project. I spent over a year, literally, just jotting down ideas, things the overcome, reasons, problems, solutions, etc etc etc so that when I started my swap, I really didn't have any unanswered questions.

As for the rebuilds, yes, I will certainly take on a few but it's not going to be my main source of income. At most I'll have one on the table and one waiting just to keep me busy but not overwhelmed. So if you're interested, shoot me a PM and we'll work something out. I even have an engine cradle that I built that I can mount a longblock too, stuff in the back of my truck and drive around...... or ship easily.

Anywho, things to think about when doing swaps - whats the ultimate goal, and what's the price that I'm willing to pay. And I didn't even touch upon tuning! Motecs aren't really heavily supported by the local tuning shops. Motec themselves offeres support that is far and away better than Haltech, microtech, whatevertech

[project86]

titanium .. all i can say is wow. i appreciate very much your input. single turbo is something i am also very seriously considering. the simplicity would be very nice and i dont mind waiting for the power.. hell man im na right now. with the RB header and 2.5in exhaust all the way back im not gettin my power till about 3500-4000 anyway (but she pulls real good :001_005:). As far as power goals go i think i want at least 300whp. i dont want to go so extreme with porting and stuff that i cant drive it on the street. from what i know about porting at this point i dont think i want to go any bigger than street port ( but i would like pretty sized one)
As far as your points with tuning shops... that really isnt an option for me because that sort of work isnt really in demand here. i will probably end up reading alot and tuning myself and hopefully the occassional help from Murray and a couple others i know here.

ill take some pictures this weekend of the car before i start to take anything out of it. hopefully ill be able to post them. i dont know if its the site or my comp but i have been having a few problems gettin it to work.

[TitaniumTT]

If all you're looking for is around 300RWHP then I would actually consider using a BNR hyrbrid. It'll be almost a bolt on affair and then it leaves room to grow with a full aftermarket Garret and a custom manifold. The Turblown and A-Spec mani's are works of art and with a properly sized turbo, the reposnse can be made to be much better than a BNR single. Just something to think about.

If you start with the twins and then go single, depending on the route you take, there will be a TON of unneccessary crap there that you will have paid good money for that will just end up in the trash or trying to sell. So, I would think long and hard about what you want out of this car before deciding on which route you want to take.

If response is the ultimate goal - twins without a doubt but it will cost more in the long run.

If 300RWHP is the goal and you don't mind waiting a little for the power, I would really consider a small sized single, full ball bearing, and really concentrate on doing you're homework on manifold sizing and exhuast porting. Think Pineapple EP2A port. Seems to spool the twins ~ 1krpm earlier with my setup. Which is pretty sick.

[vex]

When are you hitting boost (0psi)? I'm curious, I want to compare, I could not see my boost coming on quicker than it already is.

[project86]

ill start readin up.if i decide to go single the twins on the RE are gonna come off before i get it rebuilt.

[TitaniumTT]

When are you hitting boost (0psi)? I'm curious, I want to compare, I could not see my boost coming on quicker than it already is.

Non sequentially around 3k. Sequentially, as soon as I hit the go-pedal

[FC3S Murray]

ill start readin up.if i decide to go single the twins on the RE are gonna come off before i get it rebuilt.

Kyle,

I would consider just going a 60-1 route with stock ports. That is what my set up is close to and hell, that 6 months of research and tuning really paid off when it came time for full boost on my FC. Shit, you felt how strong that previous POS motor felt...that all had to do with my tune. Ultimately you could use some of my maps as a baseline(if you choose the Power FC) and I could assist you in buddy tuning. However, I have some great tuning resources and material that you need to read. the more you understad these crucial fundementals, the easier troubleshooting and critical thinking become in relation to your tune and driveability.

PLUS I achieve full boost by 3200 rpm so lag is not bad by any means just in case you are reluctant with the single set-up.

[vex]

Non sequentially around 3k. Sequentially, as soon as I hit the go-pedal

wow... sequentially sounds amazing. i hit it at 1.5-2k depending on load. I have to fix all my vac leaks if i want to see better

[project86]

Kyle,

I would consider just going a 60-1 route with stock ports. That is what my set up is close to and hell, that 6 months of research and tuning really paid off when it came time for full boost on my FC. Shit, you felt how strong that previous POS motor felt...that all had to do with my tune. Ultimately you could use some of my maps as a baseline(if you choose the Power FC) and I could assist you in buddy tuning. However, I have some great tuning resources and material that you need to read. the more you understanding these crucial fundementals, the easier troubleshooting and critical thinking become in relation to your tune and driveability.

PLUS I achieve full boost by 3200 rpm so lag is not bad by any means just in case you are reluctant with the single set-up.


Sean thanks alot my friend.. im not reluctant at all to be single turbo. im was very impressed with your power delivery and how strong it felt. so single turbo is lookin like a go for me right now. im gonna do some reading on the power FC and i already did some on the MoTeC M2R. IM likin their digital display set up too! BTW sean i changed my drive shaft and that eliminated the clunking i was gettin. it turns out after i pulled the old one off the front ujoint pretty much didnt move at all. i am however still getting some sort of screeching noise from undrerneath.....

[project86]

Here are some pics of my car as it sits now. its been about a week since i have seen it going on two (damn 1hr drive and no days off).
Sean? your ports are pretty mild then im guessing? and your turbo is 60-1. Im still really thinkin about the PFC too cause i know i can get it for cheap. Hooray for r&d! What stuff do you have that i need to read?

[FC3S Murray]

My ports look to be slightly larger then the 13REW. I think the 13RE are slightly larger(maybe mistaken) SO if you go that route our ports will be pretty damn close. My turbo is a 62-1 with a .83 hotside

[project86]

ok cool. i did some reading on the bnr turbos last night and stage 2 or 3 is lookin pretty good. they are 60-1, but i think the hotside is just stock size still since they are using stock tII turbos. on stage 3 they are porting the wastegate to 30mm i do believe.

[FC3S Murray]

Matts turbo, my old turbo was basically a stage three. I would just fork out for the 4th stage if you are going to go hybrid.

[project86]

yeah its not really that much more and i think the hp range of the stage 4 is just over 400 rwhp. and i think thats with a35mm wg. did you say you had some stuff i need to read?

[FC3S Murray]

yeah, i will send it your way once you get an ECU. Otherwise it will go through one ear and out the other. :)

[project86]

oh ok thats cool. i think i might just go with the pfc. proven and cheap :) well... relatively. isnt about time to stack yo shit?!

[FC3S Murray]

Next week my friend....next week

[project86]

hell yes! i really hope i can make it there for some of it at least. i think there might be some love for my 7 sooner than i thought. a couple friends of mine are buying a house soon i think and they are thinkin i might be able to move in with them which means ill be able to have a place to park it closer. AND... im gettin a turbo from matt so i can send it in to bnr to have it reworked :D

[FC3S Murray]

gonna do it on mon night, tuesday and wed.

[project86]

monday im off for sure

[project86]

here is the turbo im gonna use for the bnr rebuild. I think its S5 but im not totally sure. haha.. now lets see how long it takes me to save the money for it :001_005:

[MaczPayne]

^Definitely an S5.

[project86]

ok cool good to know. i have been chattin with bryan at bnr. he says the s4 can actually make 10-20 more whp but ill be satisfied with this im sure

[project86]

so quick update. i think i have decided to just go S5 13BT. I have been givin it some thought, and i dont want my build to take me until im fifty. Not tryin to sound impatient just tryin to maybe be more realistic for my current financial situation, because the 13BT would also be quite a bit cheaper that the RE conversion and i will be just as happy. It will also allow me to have resources more available to me. So im going to start getting housings and irons. Im going to do the actually assembly myself and have someone else do the porting. After helping Murray with his assembly today i feel more than capable that i can do it. Im either going to just save for a while and buy new housings and irons or hope i can find some in good shape. Ill be satisfied either way.
I plan on pulling my engine next time im in at my parents house if i have time. i may wait a few months to do anything with it until i move into a new place. ill try to keep this updated to keep everyone following from gettin to bored :)

[project86]

ok so i think i may have found some s5 irons a friend of mine has here. should be able to pick them up for about 150 bucks, then ill clean them and lap them and have them ported. im curious if i can use a s4 front iron though instead because i think i would rather use the mech. omp instead of the 1500 dollar electrical one. i am for sure gonna buy new housings and im debating if i want to use the s4 turbo rotors or if i also want to buy the s6 rotors my friend has too. i know i wont be able to run as much boost on pump gas without messing with timing( advice from murray if i understood correctly) but they are local which makes things alot easier on me as far as money and availability obviously. he wants 250 for the rotors? and suggestions are welcome.

[TitaniumTT]

The front iron has nothing to do with the choice of OMP, that's the duty of the front cover and they are interchangeable as long as you adhere keep the same waterpump assembly as well...

Whichever irons you use, that is the intake mani that you need to use as well so keep that in mind too.

As far as the choice in rotors, if you're going standalone, it really doesn't matter, I would use the S6 rotors as they are the strongest and will give you better low end grunt as well as cruising effeicency.

[project86]

ok. so the water pump is interchangeable too then? awesome. then i shall use the s6 rotors... ill need to measure them first of course as far as the gaps for the apex seals etc. dont want to sound like a noob but do the irons and rotors have any aluminum in them at all. just askin because of an idea i have for cleaning.

[TitaniumTT]

The waterpumps are not entirely interchangeable. I know an S6 will fit a 13B-RE, and I BELIEVE that the S4 waterpump assembly will fit an S5 front cover, but the S5 waterpump assembly will NOT fit on an S4 front cover. I believe that's what we did on my buddies car before he decided to pussy out and go to the dark side.

The waterpumps themselves are not interchangeable and must be kept with thier respective assemblies.

There is no aluminum in the irons, I don't believe in the rotors. I would be careful about cleaning the rotors though due to the babbit material on the bearings.

[TitaniumTT]

Since you've already got the S4 N/A, just use that front cover and waterpump assembly and eliminate all potential guess work. The only thing that you'll need to do is plumb in a coolant return line for the turbo. As simple as drilling and tapping for a pipe fitting or do what I did, weld on a, AN bung :icon_tup:

[project86]

fantastic. so s4 front cover and water pump assembly with s5 everything else. ill post some pics of how i want the exterior too look for the most part

[FC3S Murray]

Yes the higher comp rotors are gonna give you much better low end response and OBVISOUSLY can handle boost up to 18psi on 91 octane...my old motor proved that. :) I just like to play it safe now and for good reason.

Let me know Kyle if you want help doing a price break down. I also Have a lot of misc parts around my gargage that are in great shape: Oil control rings, corner seal eyelets, oil pumps, CAS's, Rear gears, front gears, oil pans, injector diffusers, ect ect.

I even have a S4 TII front cover for ya!

[project86]

Yes the higher comp rotors are gonna give you much better low end response and OBVISOUSLY can handle boost up to 18psi on 91 octane...my old motor proved that. :) I just like to play it safe now and for good reason.

Let me know Kyle if you want help doing a price break down. I also Have a lot of misc parts around my gargage that are in great shape: Oil control rings, corner seal eyelets, oil pumps, CAS's, Rear gears, front gears, oil pans, injector diffusers, ect ect.

I even have a S4 TII front cover for ya!

yeah sean help with price break down would be awesome. btw im gettin the rotors and irons from matt for 350 total. like i said i want to take measurements and what not first. HOWEVER i have some good news. im going to pick up my car this weekend so i can bring it back here and pull the engine and tranny so i can get it prepped for paint. if all goes according to plan ill have it in the shop right after school starts. guess what that means?! PICTURES AND LOTS OF THEM! im hoping to get the honda paid for with my financial aid refund checks so then i can gather the money to pay for the body work ( which im going to get done for very cheap since im doing it myself) ill keep ya posted!

[project86]

ok guys.. today is the day. im going to get my car at 3 (its 12:30 now). Im not sure if ill get anything pulled today but when i finally do ill get some pics up. its dirty as hell under there. its probably gonna be a huge pain in my ass when i go to clean during paint prep.

Sean, do i NEED an s5 harness or can i use my s4 one. i know im gonna have to use s5 uim and lim because the irons matt has are s5. but i should still be able to use my coils and some other stuff right? im obviously not ready to purchase this stuff since im gonna do paint first but i wanna get all my ducks in a row. :)

[project86]

here are some pictures of how dirty this sum bitch is.. ill post some more later. its at my school body shop right now and ill start work next week:icon_tup:

[project86]

and more of misc. parts we pulled off and of the block

[project86]

ok more simple updates. i pulled the car in the shop today. i start school next monday so ill start workin on it very very soon. color plan is pearl white. hahah ill start a fs thread soon so someone can buy my twisted off ac line haha

[FC3S Murray]

Good stuff man! White will look bad ass!!

[project86]

im pretty stoked for it. the only thing thats gonna stop it from pearl is if i have to do a tri coat. im hoping there is just a base/clear option. lll know soon. i am gonna learn tri coats this year but either way ill be happy to have a dent free ride. i still NEED a s5 front bumper cover...a cheap one lol.

[project86]

Ok... i got ALOT of my dirty bitch cleaned today. you can actuallly see the front subframe:rofl:. more paint details.. ill be using glasurit. and now pictures of how much cleaner it is after today. hopefully you can tell a big difference now compared to the pics of when i pulled the engine and tranny.

[project86]

oh and .... im really thinkin about just choppin my harness right now so i can just get the bastard out of the way... good idea or bad. im not going to use it if i go pfc or haltech. but both of those should be able to still power headlights and all that other misc. electronic stuff yes?

[prrex4ever]

Awesome project, a labor of love.

[project86]

^^thanks! and yes LOTS of labor. Alright all... so i have the engine bay pretty damn clean now. it does still need to be sanded and or scotch brote haha because of the peeling paint caused by my shitty bms when i first got the car. i currently have all the glass masked off for the time being and have started removing adhesive with the "crud thug". tomorrow ill begin hittin the paint with a grinder( HELL YA IM READY TO DO SOME BODY WORK!!!) i will post pics later, sometime tomorrow im sure i just dont have the motivation to do it now. i had a rough day and i just dont effin feel like it.. i woke up a 6:18 am to what i could have sworn was a car wreck outside my apt... until i walked into my bathroom and realized the ceiling caved in........:cuss: needless to say i was PISSED!! i call bullshit on shitty oldass apts.:icon_bs:

[project86]

oh and i forgot to say that now im arguing with myself over color now....it makes me sad... i cant decide on pearl white or the new addition... black cherry mica.... maybe i should take a poll. or maybe i should learn photoshop so i can create this shit. :)

[TitaniumTT]

Black shows all your sins my friend.

[project86]

ya.... i was thinkin that too.... it would be more of a dark purple. but still... i get it. i promise ill post pics soon

[project86]

so i did some custom fab today and some kid that thinks he is from the future tried to tell me how to weld and i wanted to punch him in the farkin face. anyway, i removed my antenna and i was gettin a piece of sheet metal cut to fit the hole. i know ive been promising pics and they will be on soon. im sure you all understand how busy we can get. 30+ hours of work plus full time credits at the college can get kinda rough

[FC3S Murray]

Credits may be ruohg BUT worth it. Shit, you are building your car WHILE earning a degree! Be very happy bro, u are fortunate.

Pic on my cell looked great. Get some high res loaded here. Btw what are you doing sunday?

[project86]

sunday i dont think im doing anything..... whats up?

[FC3S Murray]

actually nothing now. I ended up using a 2''x 4'' and an empty Castrol 5qt jug instead of you to help flush my master cylinder. lol.

I dont have the clutch chatter issue anymore. The old DOT 3 fluid was pure black! Still we should do a get togther tonight or something. Text me

[project86]

SEAN! we missed you last night beer and wii was awesome!! haha its ok though cause i completely understand why you didnt come and i would have done the same thing ;). ok ... here are the long awaited pictures of the work i have been doing. it may not look like much but i dont actually get to dedicate all my time in the shop to my car only.

[project86]

this was basically initial clean up (obviously) as you can see my bms raped the paint on the drivers side so that was a big mess. its still not completely cleaned.....

[project86]

this is the welding and spark paper on the glass and the re-effin-diculous amount of filler that i had to grind off the damn door from the people that did the last (what looked to be) 4 repair jobs. someone apparently halfass welded around the door handle which caused me headache but i got it handled now:icon_tup:

[project86]

i said goodbye to that old fugly antenna nub and shaved that shit off. looks WAY better now.

[project86]

new hood, finished welding, and one more shot of the bay cleaned up. Sean you will appreciate how clean that is and kyle too cause i know you check my thread sometimes. thanks for lookin all! constructive critizism welcome:o11:

[project86]

btw i will take pics of finished filler on door monday and post

[WE3RX7]

Nice progress man! My antenna hole gets shaved in November...


...that sounds every bit of wrong when I say it...

[FC3S Murray]

Yeah that sounds so wrong....lol

[project86]

hahaha.. speakin of shaving i started on the hatch lock cylinder today as well. ill post pics of that tomorrow

[TitaniumTT]

Nice progress man! My antenna hole gets shaved in November...


...that sounds every bit of wrong when I say it...

Yeah, yet look at what you have in your sig :rofl:

hahaha.. speakin of shaving i ............

I should call my 24 y/o mistress for the weekend :suspect:

[project86]

damn....haha

[project86]

i love the smell of filler......

[project86]

hey... if someone could answer this real quick for me i would appreciate it. is there a difference in the turbo hood latch spring and the na hood latch spring since the na hoods are steel and the turbo ones are alum. im tryin to fit my cf hood and i cant get the fucker to latch.

[djmtsu]

Don't know for sure....but I can tell you I have had a TII hood on my NA latch for 5 years now without issue.

Might be something wrong with the hood? Maybe the latch, or hinges need adjusting.

[need RX7]

I have heard that before. I swapped latches when I swapped hoods between my 2 cars to be safe.

[TitaniumTT]

check the parts fiche to see if they are a different number, I doubt that they are but ya never know. I've seen stranger shit. More than likely it's a defect in the CF hood.

[project86]

well i know the piece on the hood is lining up. i looked some more and the tension on the spring is just so high that it wont close by just droppin it like normal. i could probably push it, and i tried, but it was flexing alot so i opted not to. talked to a friend today too about it and he said he had the same problem so he just replaced the spring with a lighter one which is what i think ill do as soon as i have time. Thanks for all the input.

[project86]

so i replaced the spring today and now it shuts with no problem. i will need hoodpins however. im lookin at the aerocatch flush mounts. any word ont them?

[TitaniumTT]

LOVE EM

Just really REALLY take your time mounting them up as you only get one chance to cut a hole that big in your hood.

You can see where I mounted mine. I started by taping off the area where I wanted to mount them and measuring out where the center line would be. Measured where the pin would come throug, lined it up with the support and made a mark. Measured the distance tot he the top, the bottom, did some math based on the diameter of the the two rounds, drew them up triple checked everything and then used two different hole saws for the top and bottom and a cut-off wheel to cut out the remaining.

You'll have to trim the supports on the underside of the hood to be able to get to the nuts.

Make sure you get the locking kind. I've come out to my car in the past to find the alarm tripped and one of the latches was attempted to be opened.

I love them, absolutely love them. I've heard alot of people talk poorly of them, then I come to find out they installed them in 20 minutes as opposed to the probably 4 hours that I spent. In other words, in-correct installation will result in sucky latches.

[FC3S Murray]

What was the verdict on the hood color Kyle? I can't remeber if you were gonna paint it or clear it? Those aerocatch's look badass. After seeing them on Brians FC I was sold, if I ever get an aftermarket hood(very soon with a couple extra goodies this winter) they would be the ones I order.

Good progress bro! Keep it up you lucky SOB

[project86]

hood color is gonna stay cf. im gonna re clear it with the parrot though:001_005:

[project86]

ok.. so i was hoping to have the car in primer this week but i didnt have class for 2 day which put a pretty big damper on gettin anything done. however, the body work will be finished today. i am still in need of an s5 front bumper though if anyone has one they would like to get rid of for a reasonable price. i emailed mazdatrix a couple weeks ago and they said they had one in good used condition but they wanted 250 for it and that doesnt include shipping... :( they also wouldnt send me any pictures. so again if anyone following me on here has one share the love !!! :)

[project86]

hooray for updates. the car has primer on it and i will post pictures tonight or tomorrow. its also my bday tomorrow:! Party!!!

[FC3S Murray]

HELL YES!!!!!

Did Ransom stop by and look at those exhaust hangers?

[project86]

HELL YES!!!!!

Did Ransom stop by and look at those exhaust hangers?

Sean he did stop by but as you already know i my car was all masked for primer. Matt said he got you one so i hope you have everthing back in good shape now :icon_tup:. ill start sanding again monday.. so here are the primer pics..........

[FC3S Murray]

Man this build is going to be SWEET

[project86]

quick update.... noDOHC is sellin me his s5 front bumper!!! thanks man :). i also have a set of the aerocatch hood pins on the way! ill be re clearing my cf hood soon as well i believe.... sean can you say glasurit?

[project86]

Got my aerocatch hoodpins sat. im excited for install :)

[WE3RX7]

Nice - I'm jealous your car is in primer and I'm still waiting on a hood to be made (its been a month now since I paid the deposit and an ETA is still nowhere to be seen)...

Hope to see some color laid down soon man, keep it up!

[project86]

i have one more coat of primer to do. i just finished sanding the first coat today. :)

[project86]

ah shit... well ive been pretty lazy this week..well moving but i havent felt like doing much. i missed 3 days of class because of it. but the car is remasked for the next round of primer. i think i may end up tackling the interior revamp while its in the shop too.

[project86]

:beatdeadhorse5: i just finished spraying the last coat of primer. i cant even begin to tell you all how awesome it is too see the whole car free of dents, and eventhough its just primer that its all one color. my bumper will be here on thursday of this week, again courtesy of nodohc :001_005:. im going to be doing some interior updates as well. pictures will be posted of that as well when i start. thats just gonna be a nice home winter project when im bored.

[WE3RX7]

That has to be a good feeling. It's going to be sweet when its all done!

[FC3S Murray]

.........you are gonna have a nicer FC then me kyle :( ;)

Mine is falling apart while yours is rising up. Cruel world

[project86]

how in the hell is yours falling apart? oh!! and i cleared the hood! it s pure sex... and not just normal sex... the best sex... BUUTTT...an unfortunate event occured that may cause me to have to re clear it. the filter fell out of the ceiling a little bit when i was spraying it so the hood is really dirty. so im hoping i can sand it out and polish it and everything be ok. but if not ill re spray it and it will be fun again. i have the s5 bumper and its almost ready for primer. ill post pics of it soon. for now ill post what i have of the dirty bitch hood

[project86]

this doesnt do it justice.:001_005:

[project86]

wooohooo!!! beers on the weekend!!!! drunk!!! good times. hows everyone

[WE3RX7]

That hood does look good though... Is the color down on the body now? I'm impatient :)

[TitaniumTT]

What clear did you use on the hood? Is it cut and buffed in that pic? Looks awesome

[project86]

No...the body is not in color. I'm waiting until everything is ready for paint. I need to finish prep for the bumpers and get them primed then I'll get the body sanded down and get the whole thing painted.

As for the hood in those pics it's not cut and buffed. Today I got it buffed with a wool pad which is stage one. I still have two more to go. I used a flexed glasurit clear. I think it's 926-something. It took me a bit to sand al the dirt out because of the damn filter.

[TitaniumTT]

Good looking clear. Was it reduced at all? What size tip and pressure at the gun please :D

I use U-pol Clear - 20:80 I BELIEVE. I've found that with my 1.3 tip and 40ish psi at the gun it lays pretty flat.

[project86]

im used a SATAjet 3000 w a 1.3 tip. no reducer just a fast hardener and i sprayed at about 29-30 PSI at the tip of the gun. 3 coats and i went pretty slow :icon_tup:. i love spraying clear.

[TitaniumTT]

That much pressure at the tip? Damn, how are you measuring it at the tip? One of those special adapters that I've only heard of and not seen?

[project86]

Ya lol that much. And we have another regulator at the end of the hose right before the gun. :001_005: i just finished the second pad for the buffing.. one more to go and ill try to post pics tonight:driving:

[project86]

gettin closer to paint time. preppin door jams and hatch now:001_005:

[project86]

k so im gettin the interior done before i do the door jams so i dont fuck them up tryin to do it later.... so the whole inside of the car is stripped right now except the front carpet piece. im still tryin to get it out:puke:. as far as the inner wiring goes, how much of that do i actually need... i dont use my ac because it doest work. im going to use the a racepak digital display for my gauges. Can i get rid of any of it at all or should i just not worry about it? also im going to be puttin a dash in that is from a s5 car. my concern with this is that while the connectors may all match up im worried about the wires inside the connectors being diff. case in point.. i tried to use a headlight switch from a s5 car with my s4 headlight harness and the headlight worked in the opposite way (down being up and up being down) i could hear the relays making funny noises and then i smelled buring:banghead:. anyone have some input?

[FC3S Murray]

i could hear the relays making funny noises and then i smelled buring:banghead:. anyone have some input?

HAHAHA that is funny shit.

The Racepack gauges will looke great. Brians set up looks sweet and really turned me on to the "F1" gauge look. I saw it on other vehicles and thought it was lame BUT the FC interior pulls it off.

Car is coming along bro, as for the wiring I would say your best bet is just PM Brian and ask what he did. I am sure the wiring is striaght forward and you could use the leads going from your senors to the race pack unit. See if you can download the wiring instruction manual from Racepacks website. That will tell you all you need to know.

Hey I got a contact here in town that does ceramic coating for cheap. LMK if you want to do any of your turbo/exhaust system.

[WE3RX7]

Every setup is different - but for me, I ditched the interior wiring harness all together and plan to utilize a universal "street" kit from Summit (similar to Painless Wiring's kits) which accounts for everything you need (turn signals, brake lights, etc) and then you can wire the gauges up separately.

When I originally swapped over to S5 engine/instrument cluster (was an S4), etc I had to use an S5 dash harness. It was a HUGE PIA to get and to this day my brake light switch never worked correctly nor did the volt gauge?? This is primarily why I'm scrapping all the stock stuff and going custom - just did it with my friend's MG and it turned out great.

[TitaniumTT]

I woke up and my ears were burning :rofl:

I'm not familiar with the RacePak unit. I can tell you that my AIM digital dash uses CAN communications with my Motec so I didn't have to double up on sensors. I'm afraid that with my FD, I'm going to need to double up on a few, if not all of them becuase I don't think that I'll be useing the same dash. Like Sean said, it works in the FC dash becuase of the inherent recess, I think it'll look like crap in the FD. So basically everything that I want gauges for, I'll need to double up on. Coolant, Boost, FPSI, OPSI, Otemp etc etc will need two sending units, one for the Motec, and one for the gauge - that really pisses me off actually. I need to do more research and see if I can avoid that.

As for the wiring, here's what you need to do - you need to match ALL the harnesses. For example - you can't use an S4 chassis harness with an S5 Dash harness. As you found out, little things are different. Different enough that it's just not worth the headache of trying to make everything work together. Inevitably, I believe something will get mixed up and the little electrical Genie will pop up and fuck stuff up. As you've already witnessed. If there was a burning smell, there was probably a puff of smoke somewhere and the genie is out.

So, If you have an S4 car, you already have the S4 chassis front and rear chassis harnesses. All you need now is an S4 dash harness, engine harness, and all the S4 switches etc etc and it'll work just fine.

I stripped a TON of wiring out of my harness for things that I either wasn't using, or wired up myself. My car was originally an SE. I didn't have PW, PDL, PM, I stripped out my A/C and a few other things. Basically it's alot of staring at wiring diagrams and tracing the wires inside of the harness. You'll find a metric shitton of wire splits. The b/y is a very common one to split all over the place as is the b. the Bl/W is another one that runs all over the place as well. Here is where planning is a BIG thing. Say for example you're installing a rear hatch solenoid that requires about 10A and you're not using any of the factory stereo amps. Well there is a (I BELIEVE) a Bl/W wire that goes all the way from the fuse box all around the car to power the Amps. Although this is only active when the key is on, so it won't work when the key is off. It may be nice to use that as the ign hot to the trigger of a fuel pump relay though.

It's shit like that that needs to be taken into consideration. It's a long, monotonous arduous task that requires alot of patience and planning to get it right, but in the end, it's worth it. I pulled a few BOXES of wires out of my harness. Most, as in 80% if not more of the wires going across the tranny tunnel to the ECU I stripped out becuase I have my own coil & trigger wires in my engine harness - all of those could go. All of the trigger and power wires for the A/C went with the excpetion of one or two power and trigger wires.

I think the best way to attack the problem from a starting point is to do exactely what we did with Alex's car. Make a list. This list needs two columns. One side is things to add, the other is things to subtract. The things to add side needs lists of wires that need to be added. See if anything from the list to be subtracted side can power the list to be added side. If so, cross those off the list to be subtracted side. Then start tracing wires and pulling them out of the harness. DO NOT CUT ANYTHING though. What you'll find is that whire you can trace one color of wire from the harness of the load all the way back to the fuse box or control control box, it may be a wire that is used for something else. In this case, it will not appear in the FSM wiring on the page that you are looking at becuase that other circuit may be in a different location. Instead what the factory does is split the wire somewhere in the harness. If you strip this wire out at the source, you'll kill both circuits and one may be a circuit that you don't want to take out. The stereo and the rear defrost I think is a good example, as is the infamous B/Y wire that is just EVERYWHERE. You need to start at, say the speakers, and work you're way towards the fuse box/dash harness. If the wire splits, open up the wrap and cut it, then re-wrap it and leave it there. If that wire appears again on you're subtract list, you'll find it again at the source of the load and be able to work back again.

Better to take your time and do it once than fuck it all up and be looking for a replacement harness.

Something else to consider - and this is something that I'm doing over the winter in an effort to simplify my incredible complicated simplified electrical system :rofl: Yeah I know.... what I did was installed a battery cut-off switch. The issue with that is that you need to wire in a few constant hot circuits to do things such as keep your radio memory, alarm, PW, PDL, headlights, interior lights, etc etc etc. The things that need to be on even when the battery is shut off. I added an external fuse box and relay box. What I ended up doing is running larger gauge wires all over the place. Over the winter I'm going to get my hands on Alex's spare S4 harness (becuase even though his car is an S4, we're using all S5 harnesses because he wanted the S5 interior) and strip out a bunch of wires that I need to be constantly hot. Things mentioned above that have factory circuits. Break them from the main supply in the fuse box, and route them to a powerpost (or something similar) connected to the battery. Greatly simplifing my mess located where the factory ECU once was.

[WE3RX7]

Can I ask Brian why you didnt go the route of a universal wiring kit? The issues you describe are the reasons I plan to bail on the factory harnesses (I've already done the chassis harnesses and dash harnesses, it was a PIA). My S4 SE is now an S5 GTU from headlights to tailights, lol... it was NOT fun and to save the torture of hacking up stock harnesses, I'd rather leave them in tact and use a universal kit... thoughts?

Sorry project86 - dont mean to bulk up your build thread on wiring BS...

[project86]

Hey man no worries this is all stuff i need to know so carry on. Im very interested in wiring. Its something i dont know a whole lot about at this point. And i realize that im probably gettin in over my head haha but ill get it figured out :001_005:

[project86]

i think i just had a revelation.....i was just bringing my interior into the shop when it dawned on me that i dont need to use any of the s5 interior wiring. ill just use my existing s4 headlight switches etc. and keep the interior harness. no need to get rid of it. if i need to in the future ill pull the dash out and mess with it but for now im still going to be using the s4 logicon and other s4 electronics.... did that all make sense? lol im feelin kinda scatter brained right now after thinking about all the wiring "fun" i might have to go through.

[project86]

Ok so i think i should win the rotary retarded award for today:leaving:. im puttin the interior back together today when i realized that the trim that goes around the seatbelts wont work cause the car i got them out of had auto seat belts....and to top it off i threw my old parts away already so i dont have any thing to replace them. genius eh? im kinda kickin myself.. oh well.. lesson learned i guess. im hopin someone local will have some spare parts....... :banghead:

[TitaniumTT]

PM Sunshine on the Evil forum or the v8rx7forum. He had an S5, now were building his S4 but using all S5 wiring but S4 interior..... yeah

Either way, he MAY still have the interior pieces that you need, he doesn't toss anything, he's just like me. Even though I would like to take a front end loader and clean out his shop.

I think as far as the wiring goes, you need to make a decision and stick with it and not try to mix and match harnesses and circuits. I think you're asking for a MAJOR headache down the road. If you're using S5 harnesses, use S5 EVERYTHING.... except for interior trim, that's easy enought to get around.

[project86]

right. im sticking with s4 for that interior wiring. i dont know why i made it such a big deal earlier. i was just over thinking a simple situation.

[project86]

here are some pics of the interior install. jams and engine bay are pretty much ready for paint. hopefully these arent too small. i had to re size them cause it was taking forever to upload. let me know if they need to be bigger for future posts. haha im actually taking these with a legit digital camera now instead of my phone.:icon_tup:

[project86]

ugh... i like having break from school, but im gettin anxious to work on my car. i got my s5 lights last week and soon ill be ordering a the re type wing that corksport sells unless someone responds to my WTB thread. after that im gonna be done buying body parts until after the car is painted. i think the last thing im going to get is the cf s5 lip that mazdatrix sells. im not worried about getting it before the car leaves the shop cause i can just bolt that up whenever.
sooooo. as soon as i get the wing taken care of im gonna start collecting suspension parts. im gonna order my coilovers and hubs and brakes and poly bushings etc. im more than certain i can get most of that stuff taken care of this summer and then ill focus on engine stuff. wheels im keeping a secret :)

[FC3S Murray]

Sweet bro! What skirts are you going with? DO I KNOW THE WHEELS? ;)

[Max777]

As far as stripping out loads of wiring: I did that on my vert, and I greatly regreted it later, because after I took out some things like the top motors, and deleted the wiring, I could no longer use them anymore... I also found it a PITA to route the re-wrapped body harness back through the car because it no longer fit right... things were unsurprisingly too long in some spots, and didnt reach/ tuck properly anymore in other parts. Right now, on my TII build, I am avoiding cutting ANY wiring out if I can help it, aside from the engine harness....

A good example of what I mean is this:

Even through I've done so a bunch of times already, when I rebuilt my charging harness on the TII, it was STILL off and didn't quite fit right after I had new tape on it. This led me to unwrapping it it several times to redo some routing, which is not bad for a simple harness like this, but a royal pain for something that takes 30 min to remove and reinstall each time you need to redo parts of it.

My suggestion for the body harness is to get a cannon plug for the firewall if you plan to remove it at all.

[project86]

Sweet bro! What skirts are you going with? DO I KNOW THE WHEELS? ;)

i dont know that im gong to do anything for skirts. if i do anything its gonna be t2 skirts but i think im just gonna leave it alone. annddd.. nooo.. lol u dont know the wheels. after you said you were getting the vs-xx i changed my mind haha..

[FC3S Murray]

You do know that I got Work Equips right?

[project86]

yes i know you got equips. lol i meant that when i thought you were gettin the vs-xxs that i changed my mind and now i like the ones im looking at so much that i dont wanna go back lol. when are you supposed to get your wheels

[FC3S Murray]

Tomorrow, btw that was hilarious on how big of a yawn you had going on in your civic on your way to work as I drove by lol. Looked as if you were gonna swallow your dash hahaha

[project86]

:001_005:hahaha i saw you in front of me and then i passed you. i didnt think you saw me. i was actually off today though... you should let me know if youre gonna be doing anywork to your car in the next week or 2. i need to wirk on something haha

[FC3S Murray]

I actually might be installing some coilovers very very soon. I will let you know. Plus my wheels should be in today, if so I will call you.

[project86]

ah... im broke again haha.

[project86]

heres one of my little side projects. :)

[project86]

So i just ordered my RE Type wing from CS! I should have it middle of next weekish and i can promise pictures.:001_005:

[FC3S Murray]

SWEET!!!! Any luck finding engine parts??

[WE3RX7]

Nice - cant wait to see it...

[project86]

SWEET!!!! Any luck finding engine parts??

i havent started sourcing engine parts yet. im thinkin i might just have PR build me one or maybe try to get ahold of another guy. i think the next thing im gonna buy is my coilovers so i can sell the tokicos and the eibachs. and then im gonna get my front hubs. :001_005: i should have enough money saved up here in the next couple months get the coilovers. found a really grand price on some BCs.:willy_nilly:

[FC3S Murray]

PR??

Awe come on bro, lets build one. You will save some major $$$ going that route. AND dont tell me you are too busy (single dude ...cough.... cough..no responsibility..cough...cough ;))!! My offer still stands if you want to build it together.

Yeah Ii am trying to sell my Tokico's as well on the other club. I am going the Stance CO route, BC is still a consideration if I can't find the Stance for less then 1300 shipped.

Pics of that wing when it gets in!! :)

[project86]

Pineapple Racing. i dunno im sure id rather just build it. And i probly will cause then i can buy parts as i go which will be easier finacially. lol im not too busy i guess. well i wont be in the summer anyway but i am going to 7stock this year. already makin the plans.
and i willl fo sho be postin pics of the wing when i get it.

[FC3S Murray]

COOL! Wish I could go to SStock BUT I will be busy again come Sept when our second baby is born. I think of this summer being my last little bit of free time for a good two years lol.

What does Pineapple charge??

[project86]

well it depends on how much new engine parts i want them to use. i got a rough estimate from them a couple months ago but i cant remember what it was exactly. it was well over 2k though.

[project86]

pics of the RE type wing!!! it fits great! ill barely have to do anything to it to get it to fit perfectly!

[project86]

and here is one more..

[chibikougan]

Nice.

[FC3S Murray]

That makes the pants a tight!!

[FC3S Murray]

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[project86]

i have some pics to post. nothin real exciting yet but the car is going in the booth this week so i can cut in the door jams and paint the bay. :) then ill have more pics. i did get my front and rear bumper covers primed and ill have the wing ready soon as well. probly on monday.

[project86]

im a wiii bit worried... i couldnt find my camera before i came back to shelby ...... kinda sick to my stomach a bout it

[FC3S Murray]

about what?

[project86]

i cant find my digi cam.. im hopin i left it in my tool box at the school

[FC3S Murray]

Oh...i thought something happened to the car and you wanted to show the "damage" with the camera. I am an idiot....

[project86]

no worries. car is fine. bumpers are primed wing is primed ill be sprayin base coat in the jams this week

[FC3S Murray]

i just "sprayed" my base coat.........:rofl::rofl::rofl::leaving:

[project86]

heres a few more pics. i mixed my paint today. oem mazda white water pearl.

[WE3RX7]

A few pics, I only see one :dunno:

[TitaniumTT]

OK, I have a serious question as I've debated this a few times... and this is not meant to sound like a prick even though it might

How long did it take you to tape everything up? I like the tin foil idea btw. Don't you think it would be quicker to remove everything rather than tape it up, remove it, and still not get paint on everything?

[project86]

A few pics, I only see one :dunno:

eh sorry i was havin technical difficulties.. ill have the rest up tomorrow. the file sizes were too big and they did nt save the first time.


ttt. are you talking about removing the wiring harness on the drivers side? or somethin else? no offense taken. it didnt take me long to do any of that actually.

[project86]

i just realized i didnt really answer your question. the tape or remove thing kinda comes down to what it is. like door handles and exterior trim pieces MUST be removed if you want the best quality possible. It would have been easier to remove the harness but in my case i didnt have time to do it be for i got it in the shop sooo.... aluminum foil was my friend :)

[TitaniumTT]

Gotcha, yeah I always remove things that can be removed. The harness is easy, takes only a few minutes, the AC lines and such as well, just curious why you tapes instead fo removed.

[project86]

ya i hear ya. i really would have liked to take EVERYTHING out of the bay but when i got it in the body shop my instructor didnt really want me to mess with it just cause of a possible mess. i.e. brake mc making a mess. and i wasnt sure about how in depth taking that harness would be so i left it in. ill post the rest of those pics after i get off work. and FINALLY ill be spraying my door jams and engine bay tomorrow. i know ive been talkin about it for a while now :beatdeadhorse5: but it is going to happen in the morning.

[project86]

heres the pics i meant to post

[WE3RX7]

Sweet.... looks good man. Cant wait to see it all sprayed. When will you be completing the rest of the car's paint, installing the wing, etc?

[project86]

i finish painting the jams today. here about a half hour actually. (ill post pics tonight) and then ill sand down the rest of the body and i should be spraying the bumpers, wing and the body at the same time.. i m guessing next week.:001_005:

[project86]

first 2 pics are of the first stage of basecoat. second 2 are of the pearl stage. hopefully you can see it. it looks sexy in person.

[FC3S Murray]

oh shit that looks good even in the picture. Love it bro!

[chibikougan]

Nice gonna come by and see it in person on Tues.

[project86]

so quick update.. nothin to exciting. i got the body block sanded today. first with 220 then with 320 and then 500 on a DA. i am gonna have to spot prime a couple places but it shouldnt be a big deal. ill post a couple pics tomorrow of the spots. should be in paint next week. turns out im gettin screwed on my taxes this year so i wont be able to get my coilovers just yet... .:( hopefully within the next month or so.

[WE3RX7]

The pearl looks sweet man! Cant wait to see the car done up and in clear!!


Dont sweat the coilovers, the bodywork/paint will look great and hold you over until then, lol....

[FC3S Murray]

Bummer dude and don't sweat the taxes...everybody got fucked this year. My wife and I lost 3k compared to last year's return.

[project86]

thats wierd... fuck the system!!! taxes are lame.

[project86]

heres a few more pics after i blocked and da the car. i was retarded for some reason and didnt spray the underside of the wheel opening when i primed... oh welll ill get it fixed.

[FC3S Murray]

man I might lose my nut all over your FC...but then you wouldn't be able to find it and clean it up hahahahahahaha. Great Job Kyle!

[WE3RX7]

Look'n good - but now you're going to run into the problem I had. Nice clean engine bay, dirty old everything else. Although it'll clean up nicely! Cant wait to see it in clear!!

[Max777]

eh sorry i was havin technical difficulties.. ill have the rest up tomorrow. the file sizes were too big and they did nt save the first time.


ttt. are you talking about removing the wiring harness on the drivers side? or somethin else? no offense taken. it didnt take me long to do any of that actually.

Yeah, I totally removed the hanress myself, but it ended up being more of a pain in the ass than it's worth for what I was doing... if you're gonna re-wrap everything, do it after you put the harness back in the car, otherwise your wiring will be all off and not reach where it's supposed to.

[project86]

man I might lose my nut all over your FC...but then you wouldn't be able to find it and clean it up hahahahahahaha. Great Job Kyle!

hahahahahahaha thats true i wouldnt be able to find it... and... well nvm.. haha i dont wanna think about it.

Look'n good - but now you're going to run into the problem I had. Nice clean engine bay, dirty old everything else. Although it'll clean up nicely! Cant wait to see it in clear!!

ya know i thought about that and i know someday its gonna get dirty... the damn things always do.. but im gonna pull that other harness out and re wrap i think if its not too much of a pain.

Yeah, I totally removed the hanress myself, but it ended up being more of a pain in the ass than it's worth for what I was doing... if you're gonna re-wrap everything, do it after you put the harness back in the car, otherwise your wiring will be all off and not reach where it's supposed to.


noted definitely. thanks for the tip

[project86]

i hate when i run out of quarters for laundry

[FC3S Murray]

hahaha....dirty laundry BUT the car is painted and that is all that matters. Soon you will be living off of Top Ramen BUT you will have that motor. :)

[chibikougan]

Lookin very nice I will have to make time to get in the Body shop this week.

[project86]

hahaha....dirty laundry BUT the car is painted and that is all that matters. Soon you will be living off of Top Ramen BUT you will have that motor. :)

hahah sean i already live off of top ramen:001_005:.

ok.. so i wanna take a poll since you mentioned the engine..... everyday i am leaning more and more towards callin up pineapple racing or kyle mohan at mazdatrix and having either of them just build me a brand new s5 turbo engine because the more and more i think about it i start to realize how damn busy im gonna be this summer (especially if i get hired at avmax painting air planes).
i know you mentioned i could use youre garage sean and kyle has also offered but realistically i dont think the engine is gonna happen this summer if i have to do the piece by piece thing and build it myself. my work hours even i stay at officemax for the summer is going to be an extreme inconvenience as far as gettin the engine built myself. simply because i dont have my own garage to work in at my own pace. so i want an honest opinion from everyone following this thread.
do i quit bitchin', buy the parts one at a time and assemble VERY slowly when its convenient for everyone else.. or do i take out a roughly 5k loan and have someone build it for me that i know wont f*** it up :) lets hear it!

[project86]

oh and btw.. i got my doors and fenders cut in today so ill be puttin them on the car tomorrow and should be doing complete paint hopefully end of this week beginning of next!

[WE3RX7]

I still say build it yourself! Save up, buy a good (or as good as you can) used core, tear it down, replace what needs replacing and drop it in. You should be able to do all this yourself for under $3k if you get lucky and end up tearing down a block with good rotors and/or good housings.....

[project86]

i really think im gonna buy new housings and irons if i piece it together myself just for piece of mind. but i do like your idea. and i could do what murray did for porting and send the housings and irons off. THANK YOU FOR INPUT!!! WHOS NEXT?!

[TitaniumTT]

I will offer 2 options..... one, buy a core, JDM, blown, whatever, and send it off to CPR. Here's why, Howard says the parts won't cost over $700, and the rebuild rates are reasonable as well. That would be one of the cheapest.

I can rebuild it for you as well, my approach is slightly different than Howards and I have my reasons as I'm sure he has his. Depending on the parts that are needed, I could be cheaper, or I could be more expensive, depends on your core.

Personally, I'm always one to do it myself. The ONLY two things that I haven't done to my car myself were tinting the windows, and installing the front windshield, the windshield was an insurance thing too ;)

Up to you, what are you looking for in terms of power? Have you given any thought to porting? Portmatching? Thermal coatings? Preliminary research on turbo's?

[project86]

I will offer 2 options..... one, buy a core, JDM, blown, whatever, and send it off to CPR. Here's why, Howard says the parts won't cost over $700, and the rebuild rates are reasonable as well. That would be one of the cheapest.

I can rebuild it for you as well, my approach is slightly different than Howards and I have my reasons as I'm sure he has his. Depending on the parts that are needed, I could be cheaper, or I could be more expensive, depends on your core.

Personally, I'm always one to do it myself. The ONLY two things that I haven't done to my car myself were tinting the windows, and installing the front windshield, the windshield was an insurance thing too ;)

Up to you, what are you looking for in terms of power? Have you given any thought to porting? Portmatching? Thermal coatings? Preliminary research on turbo's?

im looking for between 350 and 400. give or take i suppose. that will be more than enough to keep me happy. and i want that to the wheels. as far as porting goes it seems to me like an aggressive street port is gonna be what i want. i dont want to lose daily driveability by going more aggressive than street port. as far as thermal coatings? im lost there (noooob sometimes). and i already have a turbo. stock s5 that im gonna have bnr rebuild.
and like a said. i would love to build my self but at this point in time it just seems like it would be too large of an inconvenience. and one more thing. i have never heard of CPR

[WE3RX7]

350whp and driveability, sounds like another RE candidate, lol...

Honestly though, 400whp is pushing it on a BNR turbo IMHO. Its not impossible, but not just a bolt on and go situation... look at what Brian had to push to get over 400whp with his (stock I think) twins and his motor is S W E E T.

I dont recall and am too lazy to go back earlier in the thread, but is the idea to use a stock harness/ecu with an RTEK? If it is, and that 400whp is truly your goal, you wont make it with that setup... 400whp on a streetport S5 will need standalone and most likely a bigger turbo (not sure how big BNR is going these days, but the 60-1 seems to be the norm).

As an example, one of the guys I used to hang out with and cruise with had an S5 streetported (fairly aggressive) running the BNR 60-1 and made 343whp at 12psi conservatively with an LT10 microtech tuned by Steve Kan. Most guys that run these setups fall in and around that area. 2gslse with his FD (REW block) using the RX6 turbo is making 360ish whp (MC - correct me on the boost setting, but I think it was 14) on a very mildly ported motor running a power FC.

All I'm getting at is REALLY plan out the power adders and supporting EMS when looking for that 400whp magic. 350-375 is doable with the 60-1, but the question is for how long? Both guys mentioned above have been reliably driving their cars for more than three years now... I just hate pushing parts to their limits, just something to consider....

[TitaniumTT]

I agree with Bill, yes the BNR's can get to that level, but using the S5 turbo is really pushing it to it's limits. To me, anything over 350/375 and you really need to start looking at components that alot of people wouldn't think to look at changing to get to 400.

As for the porting, I would shy away from an agressive streetport, if you want to keep the driveability manners, I would only give the intake ports a little tickle and not change the timing very much at all, in fact, I wouldn't change the opening at all. I WOULD port the exhaust, however I wouldn't change the closing. Basically, I wouldn't change the factories overlap at all.

I would look at other turbo's too, GT35R of course comes to mind with some of the TO4's etc etc, and anything over 350 I think the stock mani is really choking the engine and the turbo. I have the data to support that on the factory twins and I suspect it to be similar on the S4/5 mani's as well.

Here's what I would do, I would do it in stages. You obviously need an engine, turbo, intercooler, ecu.

If you have an ECU and a harness, than I would run the girl pretty much bone stock until you have the coin/time to upgrade things. With an Rtek, I wouldn't go farther than upping the exhaust, and intercooler, and I would certaily spend some time on the dyno pulling some timing out and getting the L's dialed in. I wouldn't do anything farther than a BNR on an Rtek and I would figure out a way to log EMAP too. I would do this to make sure that you're not pushing the turbo too hard, or choking the engine.

Next step is prep for more ponies. This would include fuel, ignition, intercooler and ECU. Keep in mind at this point you're still running a pretty stock ECU but you'll be able to get the most out of the setup. For an ECU, MoTeC all the way, take a look at the M2R as you can get into one of those for slightly more than a haltech/microtech, but of course I would rec one of the M"hundred" series becuase of the software, it's just incredible.

So now you've got a cherry engine, all the supporting mods in place, it's time for the ponies - tubular mani and a real turbo.

It may take you a year or two to get there, but you'll do it safer, and you'll have a more reliable setup at the end of the day, as opposed to a setup that is constantly pushed to it's very limits

[FC3S Murray]

I am speaking here HONESTLY......after having dealt with as much BS as I have the last three years in regards to chasing the "400" goal I cant help but admit that I sometimes I just wish I would have stayed at my last 300HP motor. That son-of-a-bitch was reliable(besides my Oil Pressure issue) and I beat on it all the time. True it wasn't the fastest BUT the amount of work I have invested and MULTIPLE hic-ups/ unexpected parts that have come up just to get my motor where it is today............at times doesn't seem worth it.

Granted I don't know what this current motor is gonna put down NOR how long it is going to last (hense why I am spending soooo much time researching conservative IGN L set-ups, fuel mapping and multiple failsafes both mechanical and electrical) AT least I can say I know if this motor fails it will be my hand since I know every part inside and out. Perfect example of this is look at my last motor AND Matt's current motor situation....it blows but goes to show if you get it built, get it done by a true credible company that stands by their word


Kyle what I recommend is you think long and hard about what you want. Research, research, RESEARCH multiple set-ups and keep in mind reliability rarely comes with ultra high performance.
You are a smart guy so what you decide will most likely be legit. My second child is due AUG 8th SOOO if you want to build or have the means to do it, give me a call.



BTW..if you do go stand alone, do what Brian says. I would have gone MoTec if I would have seen what it is capable of after seeing Brian's software. That shit is as good as the Pratt and Whitney Turbine Engine test cell managment system we use up on the hill.

[project86]

350whp and driveability, sounds like another RE candidate, lol...

Honestly though, 400whp is pushing it on a BNR turbo IMHO. Its not impossible, but not just a bolt on and go situation... look at what Brian had to push to get over 400whp with his (stock I think) twins and his motor is S W E E T.

I dont recall and am too lazy to go back earlier in the thread, but is the idea to use a stock harness/ecu with an RTEK? If it is, and that 400whp is truly your goal, you wont make it with that setup... 400whp on a streetport S5 will need standalone and most likely a bigger turbo (not sure how big BNR is going these days, but the 60-1 seems to be the norm).

As an example, one of the guys I used to hang out with and cruise with had an S5 streetported (fairly aggressive) running the BNR 60-1 and made 343whp at 12psi conservatively with an LT10 microtech tuned by Steve Kan. Most guys that run these setups fall in and around that area. 2gslse with his FD (REW block) using the RX6 turbo is making 360ish whp (MC - correct me on the boost setting, but I think it was 14) on a very mildly ported motor running a power FC.

All I'm getting at is REALLY plan out the power adders and supporting EMS when looking for that 400whp magic. 350-375 is doable with the 60-1, but the question is for how long? Both guys mentioned above have been reliably driving their cars for more than three years now... I just hate pushing parts to their limits, just something to consider....



ill honestly be happy with 350. i dont need 400 but i was just using the 350-400 as an estimate. BNR rates their stage 4 build for 400 at like 15psi i do believe the last time i checked. and as far as ecu goes i plan to run the haltech e8. i knew those goals were not feasible with a piggy back. im going with the stage 3 turbo from bnr but i am open to other turbo options i just dont want so big that i cant enjoy the boost if that makes any sense.

[project86]

As for the porting, I would shy away from an agressive streetport, if you want to keep the driveability manners, I would only give the intake ports a little tickle and not change the timing very much at all, in fact, I wouldn't change the opening at all. I WOULD port the exhaust, however I wouldn't change the closing. Basically, I wouldn't change the factories overlap at all.

I would look at other turbo's too, GT35R of course comes to mind with some of the TO4's etc etc, and anything over 350 I think the stock mani is really choking the engine and the turbo. I have the data to support that on the factory twins and I suspect it to be similar on the S4/5 mani's as well.

Here's what I would do, I would do it in stages. You obviously need an engine, turbo, intercooler, ecu.

If you have an ECU and a harness, than I would run the girl pretty much bone stock until you have the coin/time to upgrade things. With an Rtek, I wouldn't go farther than upping the exhaust, and intercooler, and I would certaily spend some time on the dyno pulling some timing out and getting the L's dialed in. I wouldn't do anything farther than a BNR on an Rtek and I would figure out a way to log EMAP too. I would do this to make sure that you're not pushing the turbo too hard, or choking the engine.

Next step is prep for more ponies. This would include fuel, ignition, intercooler and ECU. Keep in mind at this point you're still running a pretty stock ECU but you'll be able to get the most out of the setup. For an ECU, MoTeC all the way, take a look at the M2R as you can get into one of those for slightly more than a haltech/microtech, but of course I would rec one of the M"hundred" series becuase of the software, it's just incredible.

So now you've got a cherry engine, all the supporting mods in place, it's time for the ponies - tubular mani and a real turbo.

It may take you a year or two to get there, but you'll do it safer, and you'll have a more reliable setup at the end of the day, as opposed to a setup that is constantly pushed to it's very limits

I am speaking here HONESTLY......after having dealt with as much BS as I have the last three years in regards to chasing the "400" goal I cant help but admit that I sometimes I just wish I would have stayed at my last 300HP motor. That son-of-a-bitch was reliable(besides my Oil Pressure issue) and I beat on it all the time. True it wasn't the fastest BUT the amount of work I have invested and MULTIPLE hic-ups/ unexpected parts that have come up just to get my motor where it is today............at times doesn't seem worth it.

Granted I don't know what this current motor is gonna put down NOR how long it is going to last (hense why I am spending soooo much time researching conservative IGN L set-ups, fuel mapping and multiple failsafes both mechanical and electrical) AT least I can say I know if this motor fails it will be my hand since I know every part inside and out. Perfect example of this is look at my last motor AND Matt's current motor situation....it blows but goes to show if you get it built, get it done by a true credible company that stands by their word


Kyle what I recommend is you think long and hard about what you want. Research, research, RESEARCH multiple set-ups and keep in mind reliability rarely comes with ultra high performance.
You are a smart guy so what you decide will most likely be legit. My second child is due AUG 8th SOOO if you want to build or have the means to do it, give me a call.



BTW..if you do go stand alone, do what Brian says. I would have gone MoTec if I would have seen what it is capable of after seeing Brian's software. That shit is as good as the Pratt and Whitney Turbine Engine test cell managment system we use up on the hill.



Brian i like youre idea of doing it in stages. ive been thinking about that and going from 150-60is hp na to 350+ turbo engine is gonna be WAAAAYYY diff. and i know i said this already in my last post but just so there is no more confusion I AM GOING STANDALONE so with the suggestion of working my way up i think thats what im gonna do. that will be easeir to afford and i can upgrade when i have the funds. that way i can get used to the power diff as well. so im gonna make a list of parts regarding the turbo aspect of the build and engine tonight and ill post it. hopefully it will cut down on the confusion lol. i dont want any of you to think im REtard. thanks for all the support guys. Sean i will def let you know what i wanna do. i do have some thinking to do....... ill update again after i get off work tonght

[project86]

ok so i got my fenders and doors put back on today and started sanding them. i do have a couple spots that i have to spot prime but other then that the car will be ready for paint tomorrow... as for when ill actually get it in the booth .. .welll thats a whole nother ball game.


as for engine. i wanna go ahead and build for the power i want to make in the future but im gonna use alot of stock components to start with. such as stock top mount and turbo, injectors and so on. except for the computer. im gonna get the haltech and just run the pre set fuel map they have for s5. i figure by doing this i can get used to seeing how the fuel maps and numbers relate and so on. i feel like im repeating myself but i feel like actually typing all this out gives me peace of mind to know exactly where im going with this. forgive me for beating a dead horse......

[project86]

quick update on body. i masked a couple places for spot priming. hopefully i can get that done this week. there is sooooo much other shit in the shop now and the 2 cars that just got painted keep going back into the booth cause they keep fukin shits up. like buffing through clear coat bla bla bla. so hopefully paint next week. keep your finger crossed.
as for engine im lookin at some software now and im gettin a pair of fd rotors from a friend and gettin an eshaft from an 8 and 2 stat gears as well. :)

[project86]

ready for paint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FC3S Murray]

hai guys

iam Manchu actually i don't understand complete what you say so plz i have request to you in real whats a matter

:dunno::dunno::dunno:

[project86]

im confused tooo?

[WE3RX7]

sooooo, about that paint.....

[project86]

lol.. well. im masked today. ill finish up tomorrow and paint next week. :) can i get a hoorah?! haha

[chibikougan]

No but you can have a Hoooray silly.

[project86]

so here is what i have been workin on during my down time from body work.............................................. ................................ black is before white is after enjoy

[project86]

I am painting friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FC3S Murray]

so here is what i have been workin on during my down time from body work.............................................. ................................ black is before white is after enjoy

Bad ass man!! I like!

[WE3RX7]

Uhg... friday, i say tomorrow.....

want to come paint my car next, lol...

[project86]

Uhg... friday, i say tomorrow.....

want to come paint my car next, lol...


haha i say tomorrow too.. but unfortunately im waitin on some tards to redo stuff.. and id love to paint yours!!!

[WE3RX7]

Yea, I hate being held up by things not in your control. I'm on stand by until after deals gap basically. Some friends are jumping in to help on getting a few things installed on the rx8, but the rx7 is just chilling in the garage all kinds of ripped apart, lol...

[project86]

lol i feel your pain... except for the rx8 part.. i want one so bad.. and i wanna come to deals gap, that sounds like a LOAD of fun!. maybe someday.........

[project86]

sooooo.. just as a tease....my car is in the booth today. so you are getttin half of your request we3rx7

[project86]

ok... so some douche/retard/assclown/fag hit my car with something today right above the driver side taillight.. for those of you who may not know that area is 2 ply basically so you would have to hit that pretty hard to dent it. so who ever did it f'in knew they hit it. so that did set me back. i was not happy. but i got it fixed quickly and i am still painting tomorrow. :)

[chibikougan]

Kick arse I will see if I can stop in after class and check er out.

[FC3S Murray]

If you only knew who hit your car........I would break their damn nose. I hate people with no integrity.

[project86]

i was piiiiissssssed! but anyway she got painted today and its pure sex. ill have pics posted after i get it all put back together!

[TitaniumTT]

Pics NOAW.............


Wet paint and tape give me a bit of a chub

[project86]

haha i really wanna post pics but im not even gonna have access to the shop for a week. there is a chance that i will be able to get in on monday. if i do ill take some pics.

[chibikougan]

I stopped in Friday first time you where MIA and second you where in the booth sprayin. Looks very good. It was fun to see the change from base white to pearl. Keep up the good work.

[project86]

so i went to find prices for storage units to day and the one place i checked wants 80 a month (ugh) for a unit for my car... some one shoot me. they dont allow you to work on the vehicle in the unit either. hopefully i can find another solution...living in an overprice appartment in the ghetto+no garage= FAIL!!!!

[FC3S Murray]

Pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chibikougan]

Hey kyle when do you need to have your car out of the body shop?

[project86]

Hey kyle when do you need to have your car out of the body shop?

i still have some touch ups to do and put everything back together so probly a week or 2.

Sean.....2 words.... spring break hahah

[project86]

3 days tilll pics........................

[TitaniumTT]

3 days till pics? Seriously? Don't make us kill you right after we mobscene you into letting us into the bodyshop

[project86]

3 days till pics? Seriously? Don't make us kill you right after we mobscene you into letting us into the bodyshop

haha.. yes 3 days... you all have my appologies. damn spring break!

[TitaniumTT]

Eff that noise........ we painted Alex's car last nig..... errrr this morning :rofl: 2nd all nighter in 3 actual days.... fuck me sideways I'm tired.

[project86]

damn i bet. i love painting. i actually just got hired on part time at avMax painting planes till i grad. then ill go full time. :)

[FC3S Murray]

I just saw Kyle's car via pic text..................mnmmmmm she looks good. Sorry...I just wanted to boast.

[project86]

who wants to seee pictures!!!!

[TitaniumTT]

Nobody, you waited too long and now the excitement is over















:smilielol5:

[project86]

Nobody, you waited too long and now the excitement is over


:smilielol5:



hahaha... i know that you mean you want to see them. no means yes dont you know that? here you are... unfortunately you cant see the pearl in these but you know what it looks like :)

[project86]

one more.. damn 5 image limit...

[FC3S Murray]

I like how you left the door trim off! ;) my kinda
taste

[project86]

I like how you left the door trim off! ;) my kinda
taste

lol.. to be honest with you the reason its not on the car and in body color is cause someone thought it would be funny to slap one against the shop wall and it snapped in half..... so now im gonna have to source some s5 trim.... at least for fenders and quarter panels

[project86]

i do still have to spray and mount my tails and wing.

[project86]

and it looks like a monster truck! haaha

[WE3RX7]

I think you missed the hood :)

Looks good though, I love the phone dials... they are my body work wheels too...

[TitaniumTT]

lol.. to be honest with you the reason its not on the car and in body color is cause someone thought it would be funny to slap one against the shop wall and it snapped in half..... so now im gonna have to source some s5 trim.... at least for fenders and quarter panels

What is it with the kids you go to school with?

[project86]

What is it with the kids you go to school with?

beats me.. im gonna fly off the handle one of these days and hurt someone....im the guy who speaks softly and carries a big stick.

I think you missed the hood :)

Looks good though, I love the phone dials... they are my body work wheels too...

i think we should make the phone dials in like 17s in a low offset and in dif colors :)

[WE3RX7]

Too bad lambos didnt come in 4 lug... they perfected the phone dial wheels!

[TitaniumTT]

Maybe you two should just get with the fucking times and do a 5-lug swap :rolleyes:

I walk loud, and drag my big stick :rofl:

[WE3RX7]

Lol - you miss your 4 lugs, dont lie...

[project86]

Maybe you two should just get with the fucking times and do a 5-lug swap :rolleyes:

I walk loud, and drag my big stick :rofl:

i have my stuff for the 5 lug swap :) just no facilities to do it in. and i already know what wheels im gettin. im gonna be lookin for a house to rent this summer that has a garage so hopefully ill be able to get alot of work done since ill be able to go see my ride when ever its convenient for me :001_005:

[project86]

MOAR PICTURES!!!!:seeya:

[My5ABaby]

i have my stuff for the 5 lug swap :) just no facilities to do it in. and i already know what wheels im gettin. im gonna be lookin for a house to rent this summer that has a garage so hopefully ill be able to get alot of work done since ill be able to go see my ride when ever its convenient for me :001_005:

I did all my work in a driveway for 6 years. Step it up. ;)

Looks like it's coming along nicely though. :icon_tup:

[FC3S Murray]

Man she is a totally different beast now! :)

[FC3S Murray]

i already know what wheels im gettin.

indulge.....you know you want to tell us.......:suspect:

[TitaniumTT]

No doubt, but wait till I get done with her :suspect:

Looks AMAZING Kyle, I'm sure the pics don't do it justice. What did you use for clear? Looks like it layed MUCH flatter than the clear I put down on Alex's car.

[eppo37]

:o11: That doesn't even look like the same car. Awesome work man. I'll definately be keeping an eye on this thread.

[project86]

I did all my work in a driveway for 6 years. Step it up. ;)

Looks like it's coming along nicely though. :icon_tup:

hahaha if only i had a driveway!!!!:o10: im living in a apt.... street parking only and that fine piece of ass is NOT going to sit on the street :icon_tup:

indulge.....you know you want to tell us.......:suspect:

............work...........miester..........s1.... .......

No doubt, but wait till I get done with her :suspect:

Looks AMAZING Kyle, I'm sure the pics don't do it justice. What did you use for clear? Looks like it layed MUCH flatter than the clear I put down on Alex's car.

is RM Glamour Clear. I believe the gun i used had a 1.4 tip and i sprayed it at 29psi at the tip. believe it or not the first coat of clear laid that flat tooo:001_005: second coat was just sprayed heavier so i could buff and polish some

:o11: That doesn't even look like the same car. Awesome work man. I'll definately be keeping an eye on this thread.

thank you very much good sir :)

[WE3RX7]

It does look really good in the natural light!

Is everybody in love with meisters?

[TitaniumTT]

Traditional gun or HVLP? 29psi @ the tip is alot. Granted I'm a bodywork newb compared to the pro's, I shine in the prep :D

I've used and love U-Pol.... Sharpe Titanium :suspect: T1 with a 1.3, 40psi at the gun. Usually lays flatter than it did this time. Gonna have to cut before the polish. Oh well.

[djmtsu]

It must be hard for you to make a call.......

THOSE PHONE DIALS ARE OFF THE HOOK!!!

[chibikougan]

You got a spot you can access your car anytime you like. Keeps her safe until you find a place. I will also help you with whatever you need. All I ask is that you don't bring any douches from school haha.

[project86]

It does look really good in the natural light!

Is everybody in love with meisters?

well...i just recently decieded i liked them alot. Id like to get RE AW7s but i havent found any with the right offset.

Traditional gun or HVLP? 29psi @ the tip is alot. Granted I'm a bodywork newb compared to the pro's, I shine in the prep :D

I've used and love U-Pol.... Sharpe Titanium :suspect: T1 with a 1.3, 40psi at the gun. Usually lays flatter than it did this time. Gonna have to cut before the polish. Oh well.

Its s SATAjet hvlp :) i just usualy rolll buffing and cutting into the same thing lol.
It must be hard for you to make a call.......

THOSE PHONE DIALS ARE OFF THE HOOK!!!

well.... as much as i love my phone dials....... hahaha:rofl:

[project86]

wing door handles and tails are baking in the booth as we speak. ill put everything back together tomorrow and then get er cut and pollished.

[project86]

ok. so wing is mounted door handles are in. new windshield installed. all that left is putting back on rear bumper support and rear bumper cover and my tails and she is done. ill have more hi res pics posted either tomorrow or the next day.

[project86]

heres a sneak peak

[project86]

sorry it not rotated.. cell phone quality...

[FC3S Murray]

mmmmmm. AW7's would look sick man!

[project86]

I may run AW7s. i just have never really liked the idea of running a spacer. I didnt get anything done with the car today. Laundry was calling my name... turns out its not ok to go to work in my birthday suit....:dunno:

[TitaniumTT]

:rolleyes: You need a new job my friend

[project86]

:rolleyes: You need a new job my friend

haha tell me about it.. officemax is really starting to suck.. but lucky for me i got a job locked down at avmax and i start next weekend. 4 days on 3 off... and i guess i could go to that job naked.. id be covered in airplane paint dust pretty quick so no one would really know i want wearing anything:rofl: