SCAMMED by Mazport Scott (story from RX8club)

[Rotorhead John]

Hey guys,

I saw this on the 8club and I would hate for this to happen to any other rotor heads so just posting a friendly heads up.

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=158377

I chose my words carefully. I've been scammed by Scott @ Mazsport. It's been two years, and although some months may not be entirely accurate (it's been awhile), I included them so people can get the picture. Fact is, it was taking over 2years, and when I towed the car back, it wasn't even half done.

8/2006 - Scott began calling me up and telling me he's interested in doing 3 rotor swap on my car. He tells me it'll cost $25,000 - $30,000 with all bells & whistles (dry sump, roll cage, turbo, 20b, pushing the engine back & low, etc. etc.). and tells me it will take about 2 MONTHS. I agreed, then paid $10,000 down to "lock down my spot".
9/2006 - I drove the car down to FL and dropped my car off.
10/2006 - I call for an update. They say they're really swamped developing turbo kits & getting ready for some rotary meet. I asked them to send me some photos of what they have for my 3 rotor. Scott is now apparently TOO BUSY to talk to me on the phone for 5 seconds.
11/2006 - I'm now calling probably every 2-3 days and at least once a week because I haven't seen / heard any update for my car. I did talk to Scott once or twice this entire month--he then told me he's building a kick-ass engine with 13b housings & new rotors & new e-shaft.
12/2006 - Scott finally calls me and tells me he needs more money ($15,000) and gives me a deadline date - February/2006. He tells me engine is built and he spent all the money. He then proceeds to tell me to delete some mildly negative comments I've made on my thread about his dragging his ass-- I deleted them.
2/2007 - Scott says engine placement is like a midengine slotcar. Asks me another month to finish the job then asked for $2000 more to make an intake manifold. I pay the $2000 then bought my plane ticket for 3/2006 to tampa, FL to go pick up the car.
3/2007 - The entire week before my flight, Scott is unreachable. Betsey tells me the car's not ready. I scrap my flying plans. Scott then sends me some photos of the engine in the engine bay pretending like nothing happened. It was still snowing in PA and I told myself, I can wait until it stops snowing. Scott asks for more money at this point, and I said we're over budget already, and just finish it.
** at this point, only the engine was in the engine bay--
5/2007 - Scott says manifold took forever, but things are moving along. I request for another deadline, and he says 7/2006, and I buy another plane ticket. He then promises to keep me updated at least once a week, which he does so for ONE week then promptly forgot every single Friday thereafter.
7/2007 - Still not done-- in the meanwhile, I receive some photos of oil pan and turbo to keep me quiet on the forum. He also e-mails me that he'll work on it everyday and will have an update or me every Friday again and again--which never came true.
**at this point, I'm getting pissed off every week with Scott's lack of communication and utter lack of any respect for my time. Betsey would frequently tell me Scott will call after 5pm, makes me wait around until 7-8pm after which I figure out again and again he's not calling.
And this weekly routine continues until his name on the forum is in jeopardy with some posts. He then calls and gives me some fluke deadline, which he denies later on the phone telling me that he NEVER gives a deadline because he doesn't want to disappoint his customers when the date is not kept. I'm thinking this guy is an idiot if he wants me to buy that "argument".
12/2007 - I tell him to just make the car run. I also tell him I don't give a shit what he does to it as long as it runs. He tells me he needs more money and I tell him he's already over budget and asked for an INVOICE to see where the money went. Scott NEVER gives me an invoice--in fact according to him, there has been so much work done on my car that for the past 8 months, he's been working on my invoice.
5/2008 - I started up some thread on the forum, and Scott & Betsey immediately lie to me telling me that my exhaust pipe is finished. Asked me to delete the thread, which I did.
8/2008 - I ask for update, and for 10 months, Scott tells me he's been working on the fuel rail because the upper manifold is too low. I demand an invoice and told him I'd like to tow the car back.
9/2008 - Invoice is still not ready. When the truck driver called to confirm the pick-up, Scott tells him to come back later. I payed re-schedule fee, then demanded that Scott have my car on the truckbed next time truck shows up.
** at the vehicle delivery, I find that my car has been ripped up inside and out. Scott sold LOT of my OEM stuff and ALL my aftermarket engine stuff. Engine mounts weren't even in. Fuel modules, all sensors, fans, coolers, etc. etc. I had are all gone. There's NOTHING after the downpipe which is hitting the subframe incidentally. I call him up immediately and tell him I'll be starting up a thread about this transaction. Scott then immediately tells me that he'll make it right.
10/2008 - Every week, I get the same bullshit from him. First package had shifter knob and a BROKEN fuel pump. I finally receive that invoice he's been working on for past 10 months.

hey and here's what I received (these include the labor):
$800 for PREPARING the car for installs
$7922.83 for MOUNTS & PPF
$12,300 for 20b
$250 for radiator MOUNT
$867.61 for FUEL RAIL (doesn't even have secondary rail)
$850 for USED Rx7 tranny (not rebuilt) with NO shifter & no gear selector linkage
$981.54 for INJECTORS
$1950.91 for "performance clutch"
$3404.28 for INTAKE TUBES!
$2185.26 for EXHAUST MANIFOLD
$3200.80 for Gt42R turbo & v-clamps
$804.00 for OIL PAN

and here's the best part:
$1445.00 for THINKING about some exotic traction control that wasn't even installed or fab'd.
$450 for REMOVING my OWN fuel tank & working fuel pump that I needed (NO replacement in the car)
$675.00 for roll cage design & dynamat that aren't even in the car

then they decided to generously credit me for all aftermarket stuff that they sold off the car (after taking off 30% for their ebay listing service) and applied ALL the credit toward Scott's paycheck WITHOUT my permission. I still haven't heard anything about missing OEM parts or my aftermarket stuff I can still use with 20b.

I'm still waiting for Scott to send me my RX8 oem parts, 20b oem parts, and stuff he charged me for already like the shifter linkage, mounts, etc, which I still don't have. He's dragging it again.

SCOTT, EXACTLY HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO BOX UP SOME STUFF I WAS ALREADY CHARGED FOR MORE THAN 2 YEARS AGO AND SEND IT VIA UPS GROUND??? According to him, he's still "unpacking" and still "looking for my stuff". I just had it with his lies and two faced responses on the forum. He tries so hard to appear legitimate on the forum, but many others (myself included) have had horrendous experiences with Mazsport Scott. He will keep giving you excuses of "doing it right takes time" to which I agree to certain extent. But over 1yr for turbo installs and over 2yrs for hacked up uncompleted project that was promised to be done in 2months is pushing it greatly.

I'll attach some photos of what I got AFTER paying Mazsport $38122.23 ON TOP of already fully tuned Greddy turbo 300whp rx8.

[Phoenix7]

I've been waiting for scott to post. I was sorely disappointed by his reply on the subject.

Anyone wanna bet how long it will take IB to get rid of this guy?

[Rotorhead John]

The matter must reach IB first so I would say... a month?

[Phoenix7]

:lol: Optimistic huh?

What kills me is that he DROVE it in.

[IH8DSM]

take him to court

[Whizbang]

wow....hell with that

[RX7_GRL]

ouch, i feel so bad for the guy...

[Rotorhead John]

$3404.28 for INTAKE TUBES!
That's just... stupid... major scammage right there.

[VR8]

Am I being naive about the cost of 20b conversions here or what....what kind of person agrees to pay that IN THE FIRST PLACE? Some responsibility should be on the part of the consumer too. I would have looked at that advertisement and just laughed assuming it was some sort of spoof ad.

[alnielsen]

Anyone wanna bet how long it will take IB to get rid of this guy?
IB is in it for the money. If Mazsport goes away, it will be a decision of Scott's.

[Herblenny]

This reminds me of my situation with a carbon fiber BS..

All I can say is Stick has a right to take legal action and someone needs to learn a lesson. Its seems that this is a common practice for some vendors.. take on a job they can't handle and then work on something else and collect money... BS... Where are the work ethic??

[Jedi54]

good to see this posted here as well, Rotor heads need to stick together and know what's going on out there.

sad to see this happen to anyone, but this is what made me almost spit out my drink!
$1445.00 for THINKING about some exotic traction control that wasn't even installed or fab'd.

[Jedi54]

The original thread was locked but the topic has started up again (with permission from the admins)

Scott has also surfaced and posted a response (post #46)
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=158568

[Herblenny]

Jedi54,

If people want to go all out about Mazsport and rx8club isn't letting you, come over here!

I'm a firm believer of spreading the word to as many people as possible and would even sticky this situation if brought over...

PHIL

[Phoenix7]

I really would like to know what excuses are being used on MAZSPORT'S side to justify the length of time the OP waited and the incomplete project he received that he was charged UP THE WAZOO for....

[Herblenny]

I've met scott once 3-4 years ago at a local gathering down in tampa.. All I can say is he was bit egotistic and acted like he knew whole lot about rotary engines.. To be specific, I've asked him a question during his rotary engine seminar and I've asked, "Do you spec your engine?" and his answer was, "If you have as many years of experience building these engines, you could just tell if the housings are out of spec or not just by looking..". I hate to say this, but no one can tell 1 or 2 thousandth of an inch by just looking. If you can, then you need to go work somewhere else where you could make more money... as this situation is clear that Scott is trying to scam STICK out of money. So, I say his statement to me was a false statement.

[Phoenix7]

What I find intriguing is the fact that in his post he says he is being slandered. I've seen nothing that could be considered slanderous. People like to throw that out quite a bit these days without actually being victims of slander.

I hope stick doesn't settle and get conned into inaction.

[Herblenny]

I've asked a well educated lawyer friend of mine... he said after doing some research, he hasn't found any successful slander case in this country.

Also, go look at the rx8club... I posted a case between Gordon and Peter Farrell... I didn't know Gordon made that much on his lawsuit:) (Peter's appeal but it clearly states what Gordon won).

[Herblenny]

Here is Gordon's story

The story in a nutshell. I had had Peter do about $18,000 worth of work on my car since the day I bought it new. Then, in Nov., 1998, I told Peter I wanted to go single turbo. Peter told me I could just buy Ed Taylor's car, which Ed had traded in to Peter for a 3 rotor conversion. I talked to Ed about his old car, but passed, because I knew Ed had raced the car. I knew my car was perfect.

I told Peter to upgrade mine. After a lot of haggling we decided to port my motor and rebuild it to race car tolerances, put a "like-new" used single turbo on it, and do a bunch of other stuff, like a custom race intercooler, etc. Peter quoted me a "500 HP turbo motor". gave him my car in January, 1999, and picked up the car in late march.

The car ran like a piece of shit. Much worse than when I gave it to him. Less power and almost undriveable. I took the car to a new guy near me, Dave Barninger of a new shop called KD Rotary. Dave agreed that there was something really wrong with the car. Brought it back to Peter. Picked it up a few weeks later and it still ran like shit. Went to MADS and showed it to Peter. He drove it with me on the race course, hard. It ran OK flat out, but was still undriveable at normal pace. Took it back. Took it back to Peter who said he would install an electromotive TEC II. Called after a few weeks and they said he was in Greece or something.

They said they wouldn't be getting to it for a while, so I went and picked it up around end of may, 1999. On way back, it caught fire. Had it towed to KD Rotary. They found the wiring harness had melted and caught fire. Built new harness. The car had pieces falling off it, they fixed. The IC pipe from compressor kept coming off, losing boost and banging into the hood and denting it. Bunch of other stuff. I spent about $14,000 over many months of not driving the car. In July of 2000, KD and I took it to a dyno and it only made 275-300 RWHP, or less than before taking it to Peter. They said the turbo was bad... and, I had put on less than 2000 miles since picking it up from Peter.

KD Rotary sent the turbo to Majestic Turbo and they rebuilt it. Opened it up and put in bigger compressor wheel, balanced and lightened the spindle. They said the turbo wheel had caked up with burnt oil and the vanes were chewed up badly. Wheel couldn't spin well and wouldn't be balanced and couldn't make much power. Suggested it had been raced hard and abused. Got it back in august and Dave put it back in the car. Took it out for a test drive the first week of September, 2000 and it blew up. (The motor). back to KD rotary. Dave took the motor apart and emailed me on September 19th and told me the motor was shot. Said it looked like a motor with 80,000 miles of wear and said the housings were so badly chewed up, it couldn't;t be rebuilt. Dave also said the engine, btw, wasn't my original engine, but the number on the block was from a guy named Ed Taylor's car (gave me the vin and I had Mazda run it).

I bought a reman, Dave ported it and reassembled everything for another $4500 or so. In later September, the 26th, I sent Peter a letter asking for my money back. Peter replied and said nothing doing. I though hard about suing him, but didn't think the cost was worth it. Over the course of the next 5-6 months though, I blasted PFS and Farrell on the Internet. So did many others who felt "ripped off". in June of 2001, Peter Farrell sued ME and Malloy Mazda and john duff and David Penner for defamation, and conspiracy to put him out of business by saying bad, untrue things about him on the Internet. He had duff fired and arrested for embezzlement.

After a year of legal bullshit, we had a trial. All this drained me and my family emotionally and the legal bills for 2 law firms ran me well into 6 figures. As you know, the jury did the right thing. That's it... almost. a few months before the trial, I posted to the Internet asking if anyone had bought a silver 1993 RX-7 from Peter Farrell in early 1999 (Ed Taylor's car was silver). a guy emailed me and said he owned the car in question. I verified it by vin. He said he had bought it from a guy who said it had had a 1995 18,000 mile motor transplanted in it according to the guy he bought it from. I called that guy and he said Peter Farrell had sold him the car in march of 1999 and said that the motor was like new and had come out of a 1995 RX-7 I verified the vin on the motor and it was mine.

So, what Farrell had done was take Ed Taylor's motor out of his car, turbo, electronics (boost controller, additional injector controller, downpipe, turbo and all, and put it into my car. This is the engine from the car I had turned down buying, because I thought it had been abused. that car had sat at PFS from July of 1998 to march of 1999 without anyone buying it, probably because it ran so bad, and had stuck it in my car, without rebuilding it or doing much of anything to it. He took my perfectly good motor out and put it in Ed's car and was now able to sell that for a very good price. He made money on both sides of the deal without doing any work at all. How much money? hard to say, but he sold Ed's car for something like $19,000 and I have a bill for the motor he put in, my motor, for $3800. He sold me the turbo and motor for just under $10,000. Cost to him? about $1000 worth of work.

That's the story.

[Herblenny]

Continuation...

Well, the trial is over and I (and the net...) have won convincingly. I thought I 'd make a few comments that I am (now) fairly sure I can make without any fear of consequence... I paid for this right well into six figures and fortunately the courts will have Mr. Farrell repay me the expense. This will be a very large sum of money even should the judge reduce it somewhat.

Soooo. First, we did not just win, we crushed him (Farrell/PFS). The jury rightfully determined that every one of Peter's claims was wholly unfounded, and then went on to award every single one of our counterclaims in a UNANIMOUS verdict. In total the jury was presented with 10 questions to deliberate. The final score: Monsen 10 Farrell 0. the jury found that Mr. Farrell defrauded me.
The jury found that Mr. Farrell breached his contract to upgrade my car. And the jury found that he violated the Virginia Consumer Protection Act in his dealings with me. Our victory will be
permanent and far reaching, despite any hopes to the contrary. It may also have an effect on the remaining lawsuits that Mr. Farrell has still outstanding against his former employees, John Duff
and Debra Singleton. These people regardless of other, exogenous issues that may or may not exist, have been relentlessly pursued by their former employer and have few financial resources to combat what I believe is an "abuse of process". (One of my attorneys has suggested he might defend them pro bono and will be contacting them in that regard) This is not the last chapter we intend to write either. We believe Peter misused the legal process to attempt to intimidate and out muscle those that were brave enough to criticize his practices. Mr. Farrell has caused me and my family incredible hardship over the past year. Mr. Farrell threatened me and then sued me. He told my attorney that he would take my cars from me and other possessions, if I didn't have the money to pay him. We couldn't bring this suit until we won the other two suits. We have and now we will. And we should prevail. If we succeed in this suit, it will add further damages to the pile we have already accumulated. It is of note that the damages and fees were awarded against BOTH Peter Farrell Supercars and Peter Farrell personally (though Farrell's attorney spent most of his closing arguments trying to separate Mr. Farrell personally from his company).

Second, I want to thank my attorneys, Phil Desfosses of Desfosses Law Associates in New Hampshire, and Chip Purcell, my required Virginia state counsel, of William, Mullins, Clark, & Dobbins,
Washington, DC, and indirectly, Paul Emerick, of the Hudgins Law Firm, Alexandria, Va. I would like to thank Phil's son Alfie for assisting in gathering information and arranging for witnesses. And, I would like to thank Chris Carlisi for researching the case law, drafting several motions, and putting up with all my bullshit. All played a role in the success of this year long effort. However, as all the counsel involved would readily attest, it was Phil Desfosses who WAS the litigator. He directed the research, depositions, hearings, and trial strategies. And, he was brilliant in court.
Needless to say his conduct was of a much higher character than Peter's attorney who seemed more adept at name calling and slinging petty insults than applying the law. Some of his more
amusing or pathetic "points" include accusations that I have a drinking problem (in AA for 13 years suggests I do have a problem), that "people who know [me] don't like me," and my personal favorite, that I acted with treachery comparable to Al Quaida.

As for our future plans (my attorneys and I have become close), I have no idea what Farrell may be doing, but MY attorney is taking a vacation to Alaska and his staff is working on our abuse of
process suit. I have always thought Farrell himself did a lot of this work (and am pleased he has). He may be working on a motion right now to avoid or negate the inevitable payment of the
awarded monies. Meanwhile, I expect that his attorney is the only winner on his side, assuming his attorney has been paid. I would not want to be his attorney, if he has not been paid to date.

And, this is to Peter Farrell. Peter, when we met at the last deposition (Dave Barninger), I told you that you should drop the suits, because they exposed you to so much harm, both monetary and reputational. I told you that even if you won some claim or other, that, if I won any of the fraud, breach of contract, or violation of the Virginia consumer protection act, it would devastate your ability to be in the car business, because I had said I would publish the (public) jury's findings on every Internet forum available to me. You laughed me off and said you had already spent too much in legal fees to drop the case. That was not a sound course of action. Not only has your reputation been irrevocably damaged, you must now pay me a great deal of money. Pay the awards and get on with your life or don't pay and continue this costly effort and risk more damages.

Mr. lane says "these guys fight hard" and he is right. But, as the "highlander" tradition has it, "there can only be one" and I have "taken his head". This is all over but the shouting. I have no
further interest and little involvement. This is cleanup. There is no battle any more. I have won, but, more importantly, our little community online has re-won the right we have always had to
speak our minds freely and without fear of reprisal from those whose work or products are shoddy.

gordon monsen

Verdict papers..

http://rotarycarclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2867&stc=1&d=1224098413

http://rotarycarclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2868&stc=1&d=1224098419

http://rotarycarclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2869&stc=1&d=1224098424

[Herblenny]

Kevin,

I could kind of see your point of knowing clearance for corner and apex... But housings and irons?? Actually to be specific, I asked specifically about irons and housing to Scott at Mazsport..

[zayrx7]

man that sucks, sorry about your loss

[Jedi54]

Phil, thanks for all the help so far on this.

The 8 club is being VERY protective of that thread but I'm sure eventually word will spread.
I normally wouldn't be so involved in someone else's business but seeing a fellow car enthusiast ROBBED out of $38,000 just doesn't sit well.
I don't see anything in Stick's engine bay that warrants any real cost. (other then the motor)

we'll have to see if Scott ever volunteers more information but I am hoping Stick finds an attorney quickly. Any guy who has $30,000 + sitting around for a motor swap should still have a few dollars left over for an attorney.
Might not be the easiest case to take since there is no contract BUT I'm sure there were PM's / emails with some time frames and description of work to be performed.

[Herblenny]

Jedi54,

I totally understand how Stick feels... I went thru similar situation couple of years ago (where my nick name pitbull came from:)). What I hate is vendors making false claims such as, "I'll could get it done in XX weeks.... No problem!". Unless they have valid reasons, they should update their customers and take their job serious and get it done in timely manner they promised.. Scott didn't do that nor the guy who ripped me off of money and my time.

Just so you know, Stick sent me a PM. I think he's a smart enough man and will do the right thing.

[Rotary13B1]

WOW! Unfrigginbelievable. I read that whole thread and this one. And if someone owed me that much money, I'd be sure to bring my trusty lil friend Mr. Bat to settle the debt. Some people don't seem to bat an eye unless they see a coffin near by.

[Whizbang]

"i just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance bill by threatening my agent with a golf club!!!"

[To_Slow]

That's some bad news for the 38k hit. Most off these vendors will do this type off rip-offs do to dealing with kids.

Most off the Rx7 Rx8 owners from 16-22 years old and are not educated on what they need to do in case off this situation happening. They will just wine on the forum and hope they will get there money back or service finished ( It will not happen) etc. They need to take legal action or before you jump in on a big project with a vendor, think off the possibilities of shit going south and your arss is covered :).

Not just long a goo i had a similar satiation happen to me. I place an order from a top rotary shop for a 3 low comp lighned rotors balanced etc...

Was promised 3 weeks after excuses excuses 6 moths later i get my stuff. Of course it looked like shit machine work looked like back yard special .. garbage. Long story short. 4k later

I got my money back.

So that tells you it don't mater what type of rotary shop they are. If thy get a feeling that you are young and do not know to much they will take full advantage of you .......

[Herblenny]

That's some bad news for the 38k hit. Most off these vendors will do this type off rip-offs do to dealing with kids.

Most off the Rx7 Rx8 owners from 16-22 years old and are not educated on what they need to do in case off this situation happening. They will just wine on the forum and hope they will get there money back or service finished ( It will not happen) etc. They need to take legal action or before you jump in on a big project with a vendor, think off the possibilities of shit going south and your arss is covered :).

Not just long a goo i had a similar satiation happen to me. I place an order from a top rotary shop for a 3 low comp lighned rotors balanced etc...

Was promised 3 weeks after excuses excuses 6 moths later i get my stuff. Of course it looked like shit machine work looked like back yard special .. garbage. Long story short. 4k later

I got my money back.

So that tells you it don't mater what type of rotary shop they are. If thy get a feeling that you are young and do not know to much they will take full advantage of you .......

I answered to something similar to your statement on other forum..

This is what I wrote:

I agree, in ideal world, we all should have a definitive written contract for all our so called business transactions. Unfortunately, that's not done in regular basis and usually thought of after situation like this.

But ultimately, the point to all this is trust. I would hate to live in a world where we don't trust each other. And this case is clear to me that Scott can not be trusted. I think holding someone's car for over a year after thousands of dollars of payment is made clearly shows Scott neglected Stick and Stick's job became bottom of his priority after payment is received! That is an action showing Scott can not be trusted.... If I'm wrong about this, I hope Scott would come on without excuses and explain himself. But I feel that he is just waiting for something big to occur as he's already listening to someone else..... that also shows me he knows what he has done is WRONG!

[Jedi54]

Internet Brands (owners of RX8club.com) have stepped in and closed the thread. Should be interesting where this goes from here...

[Phoenix7]

that's it? Just closed it?

I have contacted the person expressing their concern, I will close this thread until we get an opportunity to communicate.

Thanks,
Adrian
Internet Brands

Well, that seems reasonable. Get both sides and act accordingly...Now we wait.

[chrism]

it wont go any where...IB gets paid by mazsport not stick.....stick gets the stick.....sad

[Bastage]

it wont go any where...IB gets paid by mazsport not stick.....stick gets the stick.....sad

I don't know about that, now if they deleted the threads.... then I'd be worried.

I mentioned this job to a rotary shop owner/friend back in April and his eyes opened pretty wide when I told him the 25-30k price tag for this job. If things don't work out, I'm sure he'd be willing to actually DO the job for less, and for the record, he's done a LOT of 3-rotor conversions.

[RDDRAGN8]

Well Someone has the opportunity to print them if Stick hasnt now that they are closed, and a screenshot of the gg/bg forum with both threads printed as well..I hope someone does..If nothing shows on 8club where he's a vendor, all can be conceived as supposition in a courtroom. If memory serves me right there are posts there that show a pattern of deception. It might help.

My printer doesn't work! :(

[Whizbang]

IB brands nazi action...

[rotaryextreme]

A rebuilt 3 rotor with turbo, fuel, electronics can be done for 15k easy.....EASY, if you do everything right the first time and do alot of the work yourself.

I see N/A 3 rotor set-ups going for 10k.

I love Puerto Rico.

[Herblenny]

Internet Brands (owners of RX8club.com) have stepped in and closed the thread. Should be interesting where this goes from here...

Interesting... Well, I guarantee I will not close down thread like that here on RCC.... Especially when its VERY clear case such as that!!

[Jedi54]

I hope Stick continues to be proactive in his approach to this or he'll get swept unde the rug by IB or Mazsport.

[enthegen]

That is such a terrible situation. I hope stick comes out on top in that one.

[Herblenny]

someone should get stick to come here and continue to update our thread with the statements and actions made by IB, without fear of censorship, and to keep an accurate record of what happens for all to see.

I'll send Stick a PM...

[Kane]

I am going to go on a limb and say he is gonna be screwed no matter what happens....

Best he could hope for is to get a Judgement on Scott - but that doesn't mean that he'll pay up.... although I THINK in FL if you have a judgement outstanding you can't get a Drivers Lic.

[Herblenny]

I am going to go on a limb and say he is gonna be screwed no matter what happens....

Best he could hope for is to get a Judgement on Scott - but that doesn't mean that he'll pay up.... although I THINK in FL if you have a judgement outstanding you can't get a Drivers Lic.

WOW! i didn't know that...

Well, I don't know Stick's current position and how much he works... but last PM I've received he seems to be pretty busy.

Bottomline, I guess how pissed off Stick is and what kind of time and money he wants to invest getting Scott.

I'll be honest here.... I think on our forum, we would of had less chance something like this happening... I know iTrade function isn't answer for all, but all the issues and problems I've heard about Mazsport, someone would have made negative comments on iTrade and could of help future rotorheads.. hope some of the 7club and 8club members will realize what we have and hope they would make the move.. We have great list of vendors and ultimately this forum is set up to help both parties!! Vendors pay min. fee (NO FEE as donation based) and Rotorheads will save because vendors don't have to tag on extra fee... Also due to iTrade, hope they will strive to keep positive feedback!... win win scenario if you ask me!

[Rotorhead John]

I don't know what happened between Stick and Scott but he just created another thread stating that he's going to continue his project. I guess that's good news. :)

Info here: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2688182

[chrism]

since stick is some what local to me i offered to take him to some shops that are known up here.....

[stickmantijuana]

hey thanks guys.

for the law side of the story, scott doesn't have much to go after. and since it was a fraud, i may just go through a DA. either way, it's a path i rather not take because in the end, all i'll gain would be a meaningless judgement i can't collect.

i'll update most of my matters here unless the original gets unlocked.

[VR8]

hey thanks guys.

for the law side of the story, scott doesn't have much to go after.

Hell, he has a business! It can be yours.

[87turbo_turtle]

and u can change it around.....

[Jedi54]

thread has been reopened by Internet Brands.

[Phoenix7]

so, no resolution came about and the thread was re-opened. Why is everyone praising IB?

Seems to me that this is a straight-cut SCAM. THere can only be one resolution. Scott pays back the balance of the parts he sold according to their FAIR market VALUE. A public apology and some sort of penalty for doing BAD BUSINESS along with the revision of the bill sent to STICK.

Scott owes him money....Stick DROVE his car into the Scott's shop and it never drove out 2 years later. MONEY IS OWED and knees are in danger!

How can anyone see both sides of the story and then say there was no resolution?? What's worse is everyone is praising IB for not doing anything.

[Rotorhead John]

I wonder what IB did with Scott?

[Herblenny]

My guess is IB did NOTHING!!

I also was surprised by the appraise of IB... First of all they shouldn't of closed down the thread.. They could of easily contacted IB during the so called conversation... Closing down for 5 days and then re open because of no resolution??? What is this??

I understand why Stick is hesitant about filing a suit as it could take time.. But I hope he hires a firm who would just rip one out of Mazsport. I would if it was me:) there are plenty of lawyers out there if you give 2/3 of your winning they will take the case.. Look at Gordon's... this case could reach 100+K:)

[Phoenix7]

What the hell??? People are being weird...it's like they're advocating being kept in the dark when it comes to their community and their money.

I was really hoping IB would come back with something of substance when it came to this issue and I was shocked to read there was no resolution yet the rx8 guys/gal are all ok with that. I don't get it.

I hope he gets his car running well soon....I'd hate to be in his shoes. Waiting 2 years only to get half-assed work and still get charged for it.


Imma stop posting for a while....I may have pissed dome people off. I don't get the rx8peeps...they're mildly outraged over this yet they're just accepting things as they are.

[Rotorhead John]

More updates...

I have zero problem posting every single detail here.

Let me state again: Scott has no assets--I have no wiser options than this thread at this time.

As for Adrian, he did everything he could to help out on phone and e-mail, and I respect him highly for deciding to reopen the thread. I believe his reasons are quite simple. Adrian reopened this thread because after reviewing both sides of the story, he must have thought that this thread should remain open.

As for Scott, he says he sent me the following: radiator fans, driveshaft endlinks, and shifter linkage. I'll probably get them on the car this coming weekend to see if everything will fit. Once I do, I'll update with photos after I talk to Scott about his invoice, which is still the biggest problem.

btw, apparently Scott's been telling people that I'm the one responsible for driving the cost up by ordering bunch of shit for the engine.

Let me be clear.
1. Scott never gave me any option during the engine build process, and I just didn't know enough to request certain part over another.
2. Scott says he spent $2k on the guru shaft upon my request.
3. The story I had been told is this: Scott told me the original e-shaft was BROKEN, and that's why he went with the guru shaft. Keep in mind, Scott charged me over $5000 for the 20b short block anyway.
4. When I asked Scott I wanted the original e-shaft back as a souvenir, he said it was trashed.

Let me be also clear that Scott told me he also trashed the 20b oem housings and rotors because they were ALL damaged. He then went on and charged me hefty brand new Mazda retail price for all the 13b stuff.

So in the end, I was charged over $5000 20b shortblock with broken e-shaft, 3 broken housings, and 3 broken rotors. and I had to buy brand new 13b housing & rotors & seals, etc. etc. at Mazda listed retail price. I don't even know if they're actually new stuff--I'll update once I get the engine rebuilt.

I wrote this just so that some of you can have both sides of the story after talking with Scott on the phone and via private e-mails.

For more info, go here: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2693324#post2693324

[Herblenny]

I guess IB did something... They made a phone call... Hmm.. Why not close down Mazsport's subforum?? Lock it down until they respond or do something?? Wait, i forgot that scammers don't get kicked out of forum:)

[Rotorhead John]

^ lol

[Herblenny]

Dammit Phil, if Icy has told you once he has told you a thousand times. Only those who hurt the community, like me, get kicked off the forums.

Sorry Kevin... I totally forgot about Icy's statement... LOL!

[Phoenix7]

Ok, so what the hell happened with the world??

There must have been some sort of universal anomaly when 2007 turned into 2008 that surely sent me into bizarro world. A lot of weird things have been happening all year long...I mean, wtf??

[Kane]

stick, if you need someone to look inside the engine and verify what is and is not there/new, feel free to let me know. I will do so for free, as someone with experience in spotting parts and building engines.

That is a stellar offer -

[Jedi54]

that's still an awesome offer

[Nexcis]

Well, I guess I should clarify. I will examine the engine externally/through the ports for free, and I will tear it down and examine all the internals (should the buyer want) for free, but to reassemble it I will want at least a little bit in labor. But at least he will know what he has 100% that way, and it's still probably the best option unless he can do it himself (I get the feeling he has never built one before, and thus a custom 3 rotor would not be a good starting point to try his hand on). No use in paying some other shop a few grand to do the job again when I can do it for a couple hundred.
I make notes like these in my little black book of vendors... and that's who I tend to go to when I need something. Those who are willing to go that extra mile for their customers / are ethically and morally a good person.

[RotaryProphet]

Just to show some love to a wronged rotor-head; my shop is willing to do engine dyno tuning of the ECU for the price of the gas. I talked it over with the other owner the other day.

[Rotorhead John]

More updates!

Update: Scott sent me radiator fan, drive shaft end links, and some incomplete shifter linkage. Mostly useless stuff from his RX7 pile.

If he doesn't contact me back immediately, I'll take further actions.

I plan on taking the transmission out tomorrow to see exactly what clutch I got this weekend. If the end can be viewed from the outside of the engine, some pics would help alot. thanks again.

Received radiator fans, used rx7 driveshaft endlinks, and used rx7 shifter housing with no shifter linkage.

I'll now consider hiring a lawyer to take Scott to court. I think I rather loose lawyer retainer fee for a final closure than to waste another year waiting for parts.

If you're considering sending money to Mazsport now, please think twice. Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Rotorhead John]

This is from his "20b must go on" thread.

weird thing that scott told me was he said I only should use one engine mount on the driver's side and no engine mount on the passenger side. it seemed like a very dumb idea, but i thought i'd ask here before i have someone fab the missing mount for me. scott said something about windshield breaking if i have solid mounts on both sides.

that torque brace that mounts to the front of the engine & to the chassis is made of aluminum and is not very thick. initially scott told me that's all the car needs to hold the engine. he can be right; it just didn't make much sense to me. :dunno: i just wanted to double check here.

i'll take some pics tomorrow & post.

Do you guys think it's a good idea to run with only one engine mount? With the power that the 20b puts out, I don't think one engine mount is going to work with the engine brace that Stick described.

[Kane]

I would NEVER use one mount - I mean come on; common sense dictates that you need to support the weight and strain across as large a part of the car as possible.

[Rotorhead John]

More updates!

the only and the biggest problem has been and will always be actually getting on the phone to talk to a lawyer. i work about 16-20hrs/day 6-7 days/wk. current situation makes it extremely difficult for me to do anything outside of my normal life routine.

yesterday, i came home at 2am to 5 msg's from 2 lawyers i had contacted. i called them up this morning, but they're both closed during the weekends. good news is that i've been told i have a case for fraud. so next week, i'll be trying to get in touch with a district attorney which won't cost me anything.

update: driveshaft endlinks mazsport sent were both too big (tried without the seals too--way too big for the output shaft & 4 bolts in the rear) they also have some "click" when i move the joints. they're both doing that, so i'm hoping it's normal. either way, it doesn't fit my tranny or my diff box, so they're both useless. shifter housing, as i had mentioned, is incomplete without any linkages and is useless.

i hope he's having lot of fun pissing me off now.

[Rotorhead John]

I would NEVER use one mount - I mean come on; common sense dictates that you need to support the weight and strain across as large a part of the car as possible.

Shows how much Scott knows about installing engines... I'm never dealing with him ever, and the company, ever again. They make top notch products but the company itself is very shady...

[Phoenix7]

He's making sure he has repeat customers? who knows....That's just me being a pessimist.

I'mm have to se this mount....brb

[Phoenix7]

well, I asked for pics and I'm just waiting on them....It looks like the mototr is just sitting on the member....:dunno:

[Rotorhead John]

Major update!
i'm suing mazsport scott. Details are here:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=223

anyone who has been deceived and/or mistreated by mazsport scott, please pm me with any details. This includes those who have waiting for their service/product currently and those who had experienced any unforeseen delay in receiving mazsport product after your payment.

Actual payment record would be great, but i can also retrieve scott's private and business bank account record, so a payment date (with delayed proof of shipment or your consent for a phone confirmation by a judge and my lawyer) will also be enough to add to my law suit. As for payment record, any cc/check/bank statement record would be sufficient. Btw, i just the relevant line--i don't need the entire page.

I've already posted this in my original thread but since the thread is constantly growing, i believe another thread will be much more visible.

Once we have enough evidence, lawyer retainer fee will be sent by me and i'll update everyone here with another thread on the progress.

Thanks everyone.

[MaczPayne]

Looks like he's gonna get his just deserts.

[RXtreme8]

Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
weird thing that scott told me was he said I only should use one engine mount on the driver's side and no engine mount on the passenger side. it seemed like a very dumb idea, but i thought i'd ask here before i have someone fab the missing mount for me. scott said something about windshield breaking if i have solid mounts on both sides.

that torque brace that mounts to the front of the engine & to the chassis is made of aluminum and is not very thick. initially scott told me that's all the car needs to hold the engine. he can be right; it just didn't make much sense to me. i just wanted to double check here.

i'll take some pics tomorrow & post.

This is from his "20b must go on" thread.

Do you guys think it's a good idea to run with only one engine mount? With the power that the 20b puts out, I don't think one engine mount is going to work with the engine brace that Stick described.
Come on guys. It sounds to me like you're taking the words literally. That he would only have 1 mount. I believe the point Scott was making was that 2 solid aluminum mounts would provide no room for flex, so the chassis would absorb it all. As the front of the frame flexes, the twist is carried to the cockpit, thus potentially causing the window to break. 1 solid mount would suffice but it is implied that the other would be a standard rubber bushing type.

When sitting there both supports are needed. But when accelerating, only One side will be taking the brunt of the force, the other side is more or less holding the engine steady. It's absurd to imply or believe 1 engine mount would suffice. What makes sense is that 1 mount is special, it's solid aluminum.... and the other is just normal.

[Jedi54]

Is Mazsport GONE?!

Their subforum on the 8 club disappeared today
Their website is offline
Their ebay store is no longer there

Here's a thread on the 8 club:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2726536#post2726536

[Phoenix7]

damn

[rotaryextreme]

double damn

[Jedi54]

so many questions, so few answers.
Scott hasn't posted in WEEKS on the 8 club and then all of a sudden he disappears.

People close to him had been telling us he was taking "holiday time", guess that was code for closing up shop and getting the hell out of town.
If the ebay store and website were down, I could chalk that up to technical errors but having his subforum pulled from the 8 club?! That's only done if Internet brands gives you the BOOT or if you ASK to be removed. Hmmm....

I feel bad for all the people who sent Scott money the past few months and are expecting parts to be shipped out

[rotaryextreme]

In a way I feel bad for Scott. Even though it seems like he brought everything on himself, he just lost his business, his passion, many supporters, reputation.

He will now live forever with the guilt as though he killed someone.

He was apart of somthing good and a business owners nightmare happened.

Nothing is worse in life then being labeld an outcast or a lepor.

Sorry for everyone who got screwed.

Sorry for Scott because his dream has been crushed and now is labeld in the rotary community, but because of his own mistakes.

[Brent]

Wow, I just saw this thread. I hope everything works out for Stick. Sounds like he is taking the proper steps. Best of luck.

Brent

[Phoenix7]

In a way I fell bad for Scott. Even though it seems like he brought everything on himself, he just lost his business, his passion, many supporters, reputation.

He will now live forever with the guilt as though he killed someone.

He was apart of somthing good and a business owners nightmare happened.

Nothing is worse in life then being labeld an outcast or a lepor.

Sorry for everyone who got screwed.

Sorry for Scott because his dream has been crushed and now is labeld in the rotary community, but because of his own mistakes.I almost feel bad for him....almost. We all go through crap, it's part of life. When that happens you should at least let the customer know there are issues that are delaying the project. Finish it ASAP though.

You do not stop the project, say you're working on it, not deliver and THEN charge money for work that was incomplete/never done.

It's just not right. Much like everything that's going on in the community lately. There is a right way and a wrong way to do thing and most people have been doing it wrong. There is always a choice

[GreatShamanGT]

Hope he gets his just desserts (Mazport I mean)

[Jedi54]

I never wished bad things on Scott, it must be tough to go through this but as the old say goes, 'you made your bed, now sleep in it'.

At the end of the day, this comes down to business practices and the consequences for them.
I hope in time, Scott learns from this and that those affected by Mazsport are somehow made whole again. ie; orders fulfilled or money refunded, missing parts returned.

[GreatShamanGT]

I meant, that he pays up for all the people he took money from. If you look on the RX-8club posts about them closing down, you see A LOT of people had paid him $500+ for something and no word from Scott.

[Kwerks]

I hope the owner is in the process of taking legal action

[StumpDrummer]

He he I would have driven back to florida and kicked his A**

Im glad I got My engine from Dan Atkins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[gmonsen]

There is no reason to feel sorry for the bad guy. He did not do what he said he would do and lied about it time and again. In these situations, you never get your money back or get made whole. You do what you can to prevent them from doing it again. I sued a major tuner and won. It cost me a lot and I should have just paid some guys in Brooklyn to break some kneecaps. Would have felt better and cost less...

Gordon

[GreatShamanGT]

Any updates on this?

[Jedi54]

update time!
Mazsport is back in business under another name: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=195827


Also, for those of you who have ever heard of Race Roots (formerly Fluid Motorsports), it turns out that our suspicions about here were correct and he's been working with Scott (Mazsport) all along.
what a slap in the face to the rotary community. He saw Scott steal from so many people and yet then hires him to work for his company knowing Scott has no intentions of ever paying anyone back.
Here is Race Roots "coming clean" about the whole thing: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=195840

[dr50376272]

i think trying to go to small claims court is useless in these matters; there is no compulsory enforcement for him to pay up, only if you defraud the government are you forced to. wonderful democracy there hey ! good luck ! www.kagoshimaenglish.com/rx4.htm my car pics and videos

[JDriftM]

Holy Thread Resurrection BATMAN!!!

[NoDOHC]

Shouldn't this be in the good guy/bad guy section?

[rotarytherapy]

Probably

[knonfs]

Shouldn't this be in the good guy/bad guy section?

The shop involved does not exist anymore...