Official: DGRR Intro to EFI tuning seminar..

[Herblenny]

Its official!

We'll be offering an intro to EFI tuning.

The class will be 2 x 2 hour sessions (total of 4 hours) and will cover basics to EFI tuning.

The class will cover almost everything you need to know about rotary engine and get you familiar with EFI system. This class is a water down seminar of Chuck Westbrook seminar. It will cover the basics but will not go in depth into using Apexi PFC. It will provide enough information for you to be familiar with any stand alone and able to be comfortable knowing what to look for and how to set up.

Cost will be $60/person and class will be limited to 20 people MAX.

If you are interested, please post here and I'll post payment info later..

Here is a quick outline of the class

Intro Tuning seminar – Approx 4 hours.

I. Basic Rotary Engine
a. Types – 10A, 12A, 13B, 13B-RE cosmo, 13B-REW, 20B, and Renesis
b. Assembly of the engine (rotor housing, eshaft, rotors, etc)
c. Apex seals, sides, corner seals, etc
d. Cooling system and Oil system
e. Mechanical movements of rotors
II. Ignition/Timing
a. Mechanical side of timing – crank angle, ECU, ignitor, coils, wires, sparks
III. Porting Basics
a. Describe different ports – Street, Bridge, True Prepherial, and Renesis Prepherial.
b. Basic port timing
IV. Turbo Basics
a. Turbo System Basics (Cover IC, BOV, Wastegate, Manifold, etc)
b. Single vs Twin
c. Seq. vs Non-Seq
V. Fuel System Basics
a. Pumps, Injectors, pressure regulator,
b. Injector duty and how it all works together
VI. ECU Sensors
a. Importance of all the sensors
VII. ECU basics
a. How it monitors and controls sensors
b. Importance of ECU parameters
VIII. Basic Tuning
a. Data logging
b. Analyzing Data
c. Tuning on a Dyno vs Street


This class will be great for those thinking about tuning, getting tuning done, or just to learn more about how rotary cars work.

[fikren]

sign me up please

Jonathan

[Herblenny]

I'll start a list!

1. fikren


The way we are going to do this is split it into two days...

Day one will be April 12th, 2008 (Saturday) from 9AM -11AM - Engine Basics

Day two will be April 13th, 2008 (Sunday) from 9AM- 11AM - ECU basics

This way it will give people to enjoy the event and hang out.

[WE3RX7]

Sweet - I remember you mentioning this a while back and I'm down.

I should mention, even if you feel that you have a good foundation for tuning and rotaries, I've noticed sometimes these classes are a good opportunity to learn something maybe you didnt realize before or have forgot - also, the more knowledge the class has, the better the class.

Count me in!

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7

[dregg100]

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100

[classicauto]

I'll bite.

Do we paypal you herblenny? Or can we just pay whe nwe hsow up?

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)

[Herblenny]

I'm still working out the details.. most likely I'll start accepting payments early with discount and also high pricing at the event. I haven't sent out a mass email about this either so, I'm just going to wait another week or so.

By the way, THIS class is designed so that those who has NO clue about rotary engines could learn more about it.. some of you with experience owning a rotary for years might find some parts to be redundant. I don't want you guys to get frustrated because everyone need to be on the same page.

Also, This is a basic tuning class.. We will give you the basics regarding what to look for and the principle behind tuning but the class will not be going into SPECIFIC ECU and SPECIFIC SOFTWARE. If we did, the lecture will be FAR too long and far too detail. But after learning tbe basics, most of you should feel comfortable about learning either on your own or thru Chuck Westbrooks notes...

Overall, this class will be FAR less than any ECU training classes.. and you'll probably learn more about rotaries..

[WE3RX7]

Still sounds good - I've never seen/heard Chuck Westbrooks, so it should be interesting.

Will the seminar have any "take-homes" out of curiosity? Not sure how he's conducting the class, etc.

[classicauto]

I'm still working out the details.. most likely I'll start accepting payments early with discount and also high pricing at the event. I haven't sent out a mass email about this either so, I'm just going to wait another week or so.

By the way, THIS class is designed so that those who has NO clue about rotary engines could learn more about it.. some of you with experience owning a rotary for years might find some parts to be redundant. I don't want you guys to get frustrated because everyone need to be on the same page.

Also, This is a basic tuning class.. We will give you the basics regarding what to look for and the principle behind tuning but the class will not be going into SPECIFIC ECU and SPECIFIC SOFTWARE. If we did, the lecture will be FAR too long and far too detail. But after learning tbe basics, most of you should feel comfortable about learning either on your own or thru Chuck Westbrooks notes...

Overall, this class will be FAR less than any ECU training classes.. and you'll probably learn more about rotaries..


Sounds good to me.

I've got some experience in both departments but its said that the greatest practice the basics.

Plus, what the hell else am I going to do for those two hours.....I'm not missing out on a US129 cruise am I? May as well be learning something :)

[DRTHVDR]

Will I be confused in trying to follow along in my Microtech?

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Will I be confused in trying to follow along in my Microtech?

I doubt it, I don't think they are really getting into any specific EMSs. I hope to do this as I am running a LT10s Microtech.

[fikren]

Will I be confused in trying to follow along in my Microtech?
Shouldn't be, concepts are the same plus I think this is a BASIC INTRO type of deal so it probley won't even get into changing settings in the PFC.

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Microtech > PFC :D Jk Jk Though Microtech is pretty sweet for FCs.

[KaiFD3S]

Will you do a conference call...lol...Guess I will plan to go to this next year...I wonder if they rent out Rx7's or Rx8's...lol..

[Herblenny]

Sorry for the delayed response.. One of the fellow 7 owner stopped by and I been working on my car tonight..


Plus, what the hell else am I going to do for those two hours.....I'm not missing out on a US129 cruise am I? May as well be learning something :)

I'm trying to have the 1st part before we have lunch.. So, I don't think you'll miss out.. Pending how it goes, the instructor might make it shorter.. But it will most likely start at 9 and end at 11AM... As of now, you are welcome to go off to US129 after lunch:)

Will I be confused in trying to follow along in my Microtech?

We are trying to give the basics.. I think once you get the basics.. then you might find that learning other ECU might be easy. This is to get everyone on the same page. If there are people who's interested in learning more specifics of PFC, we could have advance class later on. Advance call will be longer and more expensive... All pending interest.

Again, Im a believer of tuning your car on your own.. Why pay someone to guess on your tuning when you can datalog and get it done right.. You'll understand what Im saying at this intro class..

[Herblenny]

Will you do a conference call...lol...Guess I will plan to go to this next year...I wonder if they rent out Rx7's or Rx8's...lol..

LOL! You know if you want, you could fly to Bham and ride with me or Adam (afgmoto1978). He's flying here and driving either my duece or my 8.

PHIL

[Trout2]

Count me in, Phil.

Jack

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Will you do a conference call...lol...Guess I will plan to go to this next year...I wonder if they rent out Rx7's or Rx8's...lol..

You can rent mine- $10k for a infinite rental :D :rofl:

[Herblenny]

Alright.. Lets get the list going...

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)
5. Trout2

[thewird]

Finally something a noob can go to thats specific to my car! :icon_tup::icon_tup::icon_tup:
I'd be up for an advance class as well assuming its done after the intro since I'm a nooblet :).

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)
5. Trout2
6. thewird

thewird

[WE3RX7]

I think it would be cool to have the additional advanced classes, but maybe at a different venue, etc so that we could have dyno on site and some other devices to help explain, etc. I'm sure one of our sponsors/shops would be willing to host.. just a thought.

[Herblenny]

We'll go over advantage of Dyno vs. Street..

To be honest with you, there are quite a hype about dyno vs. Street.. By attending this, hopefully we could eliminate or clarify some of that.

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Count Me In :)
1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)
5. Trout2
6. thewird
7. 85rx-7gsl-se

[Herblenny]

Hope more people will sign up:) If we don't have at least 10.. We might cancel this seminar..

[WE3RX7]

Hmm - the two guys that are coming w/ me I dont think have signed up, one is a carb guy, so EFI wont do much for him... I'll lean on the 2nd guy and see if he'll sign up.

Is this up on the DGRR website as well? I saw the blast emailer go out - maybe you should do a reminder.

[DRTHVDR]

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)
5. Trout2
6. thewird
7. 85rx-7gsl-se
8. DRTHVDR

Add me please.

[My5ABaby]

I'm interested but I'm poor and $60 is a bit much for me.

[BlueflameFE]

I'm in!

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)
5. Trout2
6. thewird
7. 85rx-7gsl-se
8. DRTHVDR
9. BlueflameFE

[Herblenny]

Awesome Dan!

One more person and It will be official and I'll start collecting money for it:)

10 is what we need to have this seminar..

Also, I'm going to invite those who attended Chucks seminar so you guys can get some feedback also.. from those who's been messing around since July..

[BlueflameFE]

Great,
looking forward to it.

[fire85gslse]

Ok, I'm the tenth!!!!!!!

1. fikren
2. WE3RX7
3. dregg100
4. classicauto (Joe Phillips)
5. Trout2
6. thewird
7. 85rx-7gsl-se
8. DRTHVDR
9. BlueflameFE
10.Fire85gslse - (Might have to remind me to go)

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Way to go Chad, now sell me your TII trans lol :)

[WE3RX7]

Quick ? though - who is the guy that is doing the seminar, whats his background, etc? I'm not familiar with the name..

[fire85gslse]

Phil, Who is doing the seminar?

[Herblenny]

SPOAutos.. He was on the first group in USA to get PFC. SPOAutos was also the first person in USA to break 400+HP on twins. He's definitely qualified and VERY professional.

[fikren]

SPOAutos = chuck?

[Herblenny]

Stephen = SPOautos :)

[WE3RX7]

Sounds good...

[classicauto]

Phil, should we pay pal you this money? or do you want to get it in cash at the event?

[DRTHVDR]

I think Phil is a fan of the "Greenbacks"

[classicauto]

who isn't lol

[Herblenny]

Phil, should we pay pal you this money? or do you want to get it in cash at the event?

Let me ask Stephen on Thursday..

[Herblenny]

OK.. I've spoken with Stephen and he wants me to collect the payment.. If you want definite spot for EFI seminar.. please send $60 + 3.5% paypal fee = $63 to:

philipsohn2004@yahoo.com

Please make sure you state that its the payment for EFI seminar.

Also, Make sure you are at the event on saturday morning as class will begin right at 9AM!!!

PHIL

[thewird]

Can I send a feeless paypal payment for $60?

thewird

[classicauto]

Payment sent

[Herblenny]

Can I send a feeless paypal payment for $60?

thewird

I'm not sure what that is but as long as I don't get charged, thats fine!

[WE3RX7]

When do you need this payment by?

[classicauto]

Yeah, phil's just a **hobbyist** he can't afford fees!! :rofl: :) :) :)

[thewird]

Payment sent from paypal@wdservers.com

thewird

[Herblenny]

Yeah, phil's just a **hobbyist** he can't afford fees!! :rofl: :) :) :)

LOL!! I know.. I wish I was more than a "HOBBYIST":)

Thanks thewird!

[fikren]

Payment sent Phil

[Herblenny]

1. classicautobody - PAID
2. Fikren - PAID
3. 85rx-7gsl-se - PAID
4. thewird - PAID
5. fire85gslse - PAID **

[85rx-7gsl-se]

I sent my payment a few hours ago :)

[Herblenny]

I sent my payment a few hours ago :)

What was your paypal address and did you put your SN and what it was for?

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Ballpythonndt@hotmail.com

Forgot to add S/N, but I did put DGRR EFI Tuning as the service :icon_tup:

[Herblenny]

Got it

1. classicautobody - PAID
2. Fikren - PAID
3. 85rx-7gsl-se - PAID
4. thewird - PAID
5. fire85gslse - PAID **

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Can't wait :icon_tup:

[Setheroo]

Payment is sent from setheroo_88@hotmail.com

Thank you.

[My5ABaby]

Hmmm, I'm torn about going to this. Is it still open to go if I choose to?

I'd like the tuning part, but it seems like a lot might be somewhat remedial and not apply. Like sections I, III, and IV. Hmmmmm, why do I have to be so cheap? :D

[WE3RX7]

Do we have a deadline to send $ and is paypal the only option - I was planning on cash at the event, lol... the woman gets to go to the spa while I go to the seminar so we were just doing cash :)

[Setheroo]

Hmmm, I'm torn about going to this. Is it still open to go if I choose to?

I'd like the tuning part, but it seems like a lot might be somewhat remedial and not apply. Like sections I, III, and IV. Hmmmmm, why do I have to be so cheap? :D

Going over the basics even when you know them gives you a chance to expand on things..

I am all about me some learning! haha.

I didn't sign up for the rotary rally at all, but I will surely attend this... my friend only lives like 20 minutes from the dragon... so I am going to be at his place and then hit up the seminar and go about my business. :)

[85rx-7gsl-se]

^Seth, when ya headed over there?

[Setheroo]

^Seth, when ya headed over there?
Not sure, I just found out that I could go last night.

I would imagine I would head out on Friday... one of my friends has a place in Pigeon Forge... and he said I was welcome to stay the weekend because he would be home from college... so I was like... holy shit this is a GO!

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Sounds good :icon_tup:

[Setheroo]

Sounds good :icon_tup:
Yeah, it should be great - I really look forward to the class... I have never had a rotary specific class ever in my life...

A little OT, but you wanna roll out to the boro with me today... I kinda want to throw in an application at Best Buy or Circuit City... to be one of those audio installer guys... Toyota called today and told me that they couldn't hire me until May... so I need something to do until that time.

[85rx-7gsl-se]

^ I gotta go to T-town at 4 today so I can't :(

[Setheroo]

^ I gotta go to T-town at 4 today so I can't :(

It's cool. You better go to T-Town, drive back, and do it again and again and again until you hit 500 miles... then it will be boost time.

[85rx-7gsl-se]

I went to Bowling Green in her last night. She is at about 370 miles right now :D

[Setheroo]

I went to Bowling Green in her last night. She is at about 370 miles right now :D
Simply amazing. Keep DRIVING!

[WE3RX7]

370 - You'll be right for the dragon then.

Is your tune good on that microtech?

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Yeah, my tune is a little rich, but fine :D

[WE3RX7]

JW - but will the seminar include any tangibles to take home, or are we responsible for our own note taking? I just want to know if I need to bring anything...

[Setheroo]

JW - but will the seminar include any tangibles to take home, or are we responsible for our own note taking? I just want to know if I need to bring anything...

x2

[Herblenny]

I don't know yet.. I have to talk to the speaker.. We might try to get you a copy of Powerpoint slides or something.. But since it so cheap, we'll try to squeeze it all in or ask of you to print it yourselves.

1. classicautobody - PAID
2. Fikren - PAID
3. 85rx-7gsl-se - PAID
4. thewird - PAID
5. fire85gslse - PAID **
6. Setheroo - PAID

We need 4 more people:)

[fire85gslse]

until you hit 500 miles... then it will be boost time.

I would wait till 1000 miles.

[Herblenny]

1. classicautobody - PAID
2. Fikren - PAID
3. 85rx-7gsl-se - PAID
4. thewird - PAID
5. fire85gslse - PAID **
6. Setheroo - PAID
7. WE3RX7 - PAID ***

[85rx-7gsl-se]

I would wait till 1000 miles.


Sorry Chad, I don't think I can do that :(

[WE3RX7]

Used housings = ok at 500 IMHO, new housings you stretch out to 1000 - 1500...

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Thanks WE3, they are used housings.

[Herblenny]

BUMP!!!

I need 3 more people!!!!

[Herblenny]

1. classicautobody - PAID
2. Fikren - PAID
3. 85rx-7gsl-se - PAID
4. thewird - PAID
5. fire85gslse - PAID **
6. Setheroo - PAID
7. WE3RX7 - PAID ***
8. Jonbro6956 - PAID ***

[My8isGr8]

ill register for my husband and i..

[My8isGr8]

what time during the event

[85rx-7gsl-se]

^
I'll start a list!

1. fikren


The way we are going to do this is split it into two days...

Day one will be April 12th, 2008 (Saturday) from 9AM -11AM - Engine Basics

Day two will be April 13th, 2008 (Sunday) from 9AM- 11AM - ECU basics

This way it will give people to enjoy the event and hang out.

[My5ABaby]

9-11 on both Saturday and Sunday.

[85rx-7gsl-se]

^^
9-11 on both Saturday and Sunday.

Beat ya to it boy :p

[My5ABaby]

^^


Beat ya to it boy :p
:ugh2:

:rofl:

I had it open for a while. I always hit Reply to stuff, then get distracted because it takes too long for it to load (~1 second) and click on another tab. Then I remember that I have a reply open and go back later. Oh well.

[85rx-7gsl-se]

Its all cool. I drive my buddies crazy on Tennspeed by posting faster than they can :D

[Herblenny]

ill register for my husband and i..

Do you have your husbands SN?

FYI:

Pending how it goes, Stephen said he will try to have a long mid break so you can go check out the cars and such.

PHIL

[WE3RX7]

Its only 2 hours, I'm sure we'll see the cars, but a break would be nice in between...

[My8isGr8]

this is my sn he does not have one. it was cherryshinka05 but i traded the car for a diff one. hes coming as my guest. tell me how much to pay you..you said 60 a person plus payapl fees? how much are the fees

[fikren]

this is my sn he does not have one. it was cherryshinka05 but i traded the car for a diff one. hes coming as my guest. tell me how much to pay you..you said 60 a person plus payapl fees? how much are the fees
its 63 bucks total (60 plus fees)

[My8isGr8]

ok payment sent for two

[Herblenny]

Updated List!!

1. classicautobody - PAID
2. Fikren - PAID
3. 85rx-7gsl-se - PAID
4. thewird - PAID
5. fire85gslse - PAID **
6. Setheroo - PAID
7. WE3RX7 - PAID ***
8. Jonbro6956 - PAID ***
9. Jack Coxe - PAID
10. my8isgr8 and her husband - PAID

[WE3RX7]

Do we know where the seminar is going to be held now or will we just find out when we get down there?

[Herblenny]

Its going to be at the Nantahala Village but I don't know which room.. Where ever, it would be in the main lodge..

[fire85gslse]

Phil,
do we have enough people now?

Chad

[Herblenny]

Yep!

Its a go for SHOR!