543rwhp dyno

[Turblown]

Recent dyno from a customer of ours. Not bad for a little 61mm turbo! Picked up 38rwhp from just our latest compressor wheel revision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnV3QBn1C_M&feature=c4-overview&list=UU-YqjHrGI0h-RGUHrOnJyGQ

[TheAsset]

Wow that's impressive!

[RICE RACING]

Strap a VBOX to it and lets see some real numbers !
Add it to my FAST FD thread ;)

[chibikougan]

What VBOX do you recommend the average poofter?

Standard unit then add peripherals as needed?

[RICE RACING]

What VBOX do you recommend the average poofter?

Most people cannot even afford the lowest specificiation VBOX, so I suggest to most people to by the "retail market' Performance Box or Drift Box.

smg944 on here uses one and me and him have the fastest legitimate FD's in the world :)

it is real easy to work out the real power of your car, and its backed up with reality in the speeds and times to cover a known test,(see fast FD thread).

I have done more than anyone on the std 13B-REW platform and there is no way in hell you can make the power above on 24psi boost, thus my comment on BS American dyno numbers.

To give you an idea on ~30psi boost (@ sea level) with WM50 and engine calibrated to the peak of what is possible I make ~ 470rwhp or about 565bhp @ the engine. And the performance has never been matched by anyone except smg944 (Steve) though he is on C16 for his highest performance levels.

The bullshit stops and the bar gets set when you actually test a car the legitimate way and it can be repeated by anyone around the world, its not hard to find a flat stretch, borrow a Performance Box and test your car 90kph-140kph in 3rd gear or 100kph to 200kph. Get the times and I will run the calc and tell you exactly how much power it has ;)

And it can join the list of FAST FD's :) http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/showthread.php?t=14704

p.s. Not having a go at anyone here, its just a statement of fact that USA typical 'dyno figures' are 100% certified bullshit LOL, none of them match reality when you do the physics behind how fast the car should be ........... which none of them by matter of fact are LOL. Had this 'debate on pay to play hack tuning school and even the paying vendors could not explain why they cant give real figures or be repeatable LOL....

I have seen this too much over the years, this is why the bullshit stops when the VBOX drops ! test it and lets see what it really has in reality... FACT V's FICTION as my mate Howard Coleman says LOL.


This Car here should be as fast or faster than mine on the same 24psi, same 100% stock standard 13B, with pissy little Intercooler, given its got ALOT more power ?
I was @ (on peak! average was lower ~300rwkw) 310rwkw ~415rwhp or around 499bhp @ the engine. This is the absolute maximum you can hope to make
100kph-200kph
RICE RACING - 6.25 sec - 93 oct water injected 24psi run stock standard 13B-REW http://www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1590&page=20
90kph-140kph 3rd gear
RICE RACING - 2.26 sec - 93 oct water injected 24psi run stock standard 13B-REW

[RICE RACING]

Here is realistically what power this engine set up should make, this is reality though not dynojet figures lol.
Based on engineering facts, best way to counter this is test the car, and I will happily eat shit if proven wrong............ I wont be though LOL.

I am being optimistic here too for you as peak power on these ports typically is at 6700rpm or so, regardless sometimes you can get a peak at 7000rpm so helping you out here.

There is no way in fuck you can make 540rwhp on that set up, its not possible at all with what you are running, and this will be shown when you actually test the car on a track and we work out the power in real life with physics not a guessing machine DJ lol.

http://imageshack.com/a/img826/6176/6kt2.jpg

and at a bit leaner setting

http://imageshack.com/a/img843/7372/nxal.jpg

[JhnRX7]

Strap a VBOX to it and lets see some real numbers !
Add it to my FAST FD thread ;)

He can't... The motor blew up on that dyno pull (or the next one).

I know the owner, if he decides to rebuild it then I can lend him my performance box.

[RICE RACING]

He can't... The motor blew up on that dyno pull (or the next one).

I know the owner, if he decides to rebuild it then I can lend him my performance box.

Shit........... that is no good.

All too common a thing though its why you see so few RX7's around, its not easy making high power and keeping them alive.

Let him know though and when he is ready I'll be happy to run some numbers over it and see where it fits on our list.

[RENESISFD]

It blew up using WI as well. I wonder if be was not injecting enough or if the problem lies elsewhere. 2mm stock 2pc seals.

[RICE RACING]

It blew up using WI as well. I wonder if be was not injecting enough or if the problem lies elsewhere. 2mm stock 2pc seals.

There are many causes.
Stock 2mm apex seals don't have a power limit, but they do have a detonation limit.
Detonating a motor can be caused by many many things.

#1 is wrong timing use
#2 wrong ECU
#3 wrong spark plugs
#4 wrong fuel settings
#5 too much or too little water injection
#6 taking advise off Howard Coleman & or Brian D Cain

Not in any particular order either.

Like I say to anyone who cares if they think this is 'easy' to achieve your answer is in how many you see out on the street or at events at this level.

Not many can do it end of story.
Lots of people fall into the trap of letting the motor tune them rather than the other way around.......... and its all too easy to chase a dyno figure rather than make a car fast and reliable.

[JhnRX7]

He has a pre-turbo mechanical WI setup and was using 50/50 Water/meth I believe.


#1 is wrong timing use
#2 wrong ECU
#3 wrong spark plugs
#4 wrong fuel settings
#5 too much or too little water injection
#6 taking advise off Howard Coleman & or Brian D Cain

Not in any particular order either.


What is your opinion on Adaptronic ECU's...?

[RICE RACING]

He has a pre-turbo mechanical WI setup and was using 50/50 Water/meth I believe.



What is your opinion on Adaptronic ECU's...?

There is too much to give a general comment on, you don't even know where to start :dunno: but I'm sure lots of 'theories' will get thrown about.

I have never used an Adaptronic ECU so I can not comment on them.

[RICE RACING]

What VBOX do you recommend the average poofter?

Standard unit then add peripherals as needed?

You can buy a Performance box and a basic input module and do stuff like this easy (was recorded with a VBOX Mini and MIM01).

http://imageshack.com/a/img11/9761/pvzd.jpg

Here is the fact v fiction ANALysis that goes along with the above ;) The one the only, widely copied, NEVER EQUALED !!!
No Howard Coleman one line spaced un readable calculations LOL! Only stuff that works and does not blow up every second day LOL

http://imageshack.com/a/img809/6617/mmoi.jpg

[TheAsset]

It blew up using WI as well. I wonder if be was not injecting enough or if the problem lies elsewhere. 2mm stock 2pc seals.

Any idea on how much he was injecting?

[RXtacy]

From his build thread it looks like 750cc.

[RICE RACING]

From his build thread it looks like 750cc.

He is using that plastic tank cheap ass copy of my pioneering system, instead they (ghetto versions) are using ghetto flow valves & off the shelf generic wildly variable air water mixers and nothing is calibrated nor tested.......... you get what you pay for ;)

and the knoweldge of these types of 'vendors' is zero. You may as well be getting advice off BDC or HC LOL.

The difference between me and the pretenders/wannabes is that each and every system is tested, and they all come with free life time long tuning support, then end user needs not do any experimenting on settings - thus no engine blow ups -

What is funny with all of the pretender/wannabe cuuuuuunts is they are all going off 'planted' *information* I posted LOL but with no context! *as they NEVER EVER did the work themselves* ONLY COPIED IT OFF ME !!!! and they try to off load it as their own but they have ZERO idea of what they are doing LOL. This is why I post up spurious information to see these fuckwits copy it directly LOL............ it is funny to watch, admitedly though not funny for the end user/victim, but it teaches the cuuuuuunts a lesson that is for sure LOL.

This science is not easy, it cant be copied, people finding out the hard way LOL. :dunno:

[chibikougan]

You are selling your system right? I will need one



LMAO bold your site link. Didn't even see it

[RICE RACING]

You are selling your system right? I will need one



LMAO bold your site link. Didn't even see it

Fixed,

Look its not about selling shit (I could not give a fuck) I make my ca$h other ways, do not need to flog myself to others etc. My comment to this poor cuuuuuuunts situation (even if this is not his problem) is you get what you pay for! ..........................

And I am sick of pieces of shit talking it up when all they have done is copy me badly LOL. But that is life so be it.

When this bloke fixes his car it would be good to test it and see how it performs, that is the main point of the activity of me here, not to wish him anything bad or otherwise despite what I think of other useless cuuuuunnnnnttttsss :)

We need more FAST FD's
Not poof boxes on 20" rimz and candy paint.

[chibikougan]

Fixed,

Look its not about selling shit (I could not give a fuck) I make my ca$h other ways, do not need to flog myself to others etc. My comment to this poor cuuuuuuunts situation (even if this is not his problem) is you get what you pay for! ..........................

And I am sick of pieces of shit talking it up when all they have done is copy me badly LOL. But that is life so be it.

When this bloke fixes his car it would be good to test it and see how it performs, that is the main point of the activity of me here, not to wish him anything bad or otherwise despite what I think of other useless cuuuuunnnnnttttsss :)

We need more FAST FD's
Not poof boxes on 20" rimz and candy paint.


Not saying you are I just want to know where to find your products fella.


Also to the OP we feels your pains bro.

[RICE RACING]

Not saying you are I just want to know where to find your products fella.


Also to the OP we feels your pains bro.

I don't think Elliot from Turblown feels any pain as its not his car, don't know who was calibrating the engine or even what caused it to shit itself....... regardless its another dead rotary in a piston world, which is a shame. :Chevy_anim:

No wonder you don't see many around these days.

I doubt Mazda will ever make another honestly. Which is good for us with FD's cause they are the best :) just need to set it up with a specialist who knows what you car get out of it and enjoy it for what it is.

I hope its up and going sooner than later and we can add it to our list of FAST FD's :hurray:

[chibikougan]

Yeah his Son really wants to build another one but I don't think financially or in any other way would be responsible.

Just quit selling all our housings to tuk tuk boat owners!

[TheAsset]

I would think 750cc would be sufficient. Although he is running a 50/50 mix, so yea who knows.

I sure hope its enough for my setup (water only/M7 Nozzle). Threads like this make me NERVOUS.

[PSI]

I don't see what the OP couldn't make 543rwhp with a modern aero 61mm compressor at 24psi? I made 520rwhp with an old 60-1 compressor at 24psi (29psi at peak torque but dropping to 24psi at peak rpm). S5 engine/intake, pump petrol, WI. That was the absolute limit of the turbo though and air temps were thru the roof. With this power the car ran a 9.6 at one forty something mph.

Surely a modern FMW 61mm wheel has to outflow a fairly old cast 60mm wheel? (as good as the 60-1 wheels are)

[mazpower]

That's impressive PSI. :icon_tup:

[RICE RACING]

http://www.rx7club.com/build-threads-292/94-build-gt35r-re-vmount-whole-lot-more-932044/page29/

what engine detonation looks and sounds like @!

cIFeTuLoMao

"My tuner said he could feel it let go up top at the very end of the pull.

I have been racking my brain trying to think of what could have caused it. Once the engine is apart, we will know more. I just want to make sure it wasn't something in the setup. I don't think it was, as AFR's and EGT's were solid.... but I want to absolutely make sure. My hopes are that it was an engine build issue.

540whp is a lot of hooche. I'm still using the OEM lower manifold. I considered it being an issue, but my EGT's were within 10 degrees of each other under full boost. The same could be said for my injectors and pump. If I was running out of fuel, the AFR's would have jumped. They were solid, and even dipped into the 10's one run.

Same for my WI system. I'm going to test it, but if I would have drastically lost meth, my AFR's would have leaned out.

We don't want history repeating itself with my new wicked engine! "

[chibikougan]

:o10:

[Turblown]

Just to be clear I didn't tune or build that engine. It's just our turbo system. Other than the ecu being used, I had nothing to do with the build.

A few months ago I tuned a car I built with the same turbo system( 3.5 inch exhaust and 1.0 turbine however)and a stock port engine built my someone else, and I made 480rwhp at 22psi. Generally I only compare Dyno numbers between the same Dyno manufactures stateside. Ive always seen lower numbers across the pond. In the end I have really never cared, the only thing that really matter is winning in competitions to me. However Dyno numbers do matter to the customers, and that's why I post them...

[GySgtFrank]

Just to be clear I didn't tune or build that engine. It's just our turbo system. Other than the ecu being used, I had nothing to do with the build.

I think it was pretty clear that you didn't do the engine build or tune. It always hurts when you come up against the weak link chasing big power numbers, expensive too.

This is a rather cautionary tale to those wanting into the big boys club. Everything supporting the big boost had better be up to snuff, with no corner cutting, or results may not be up to expectations. Sometimes even that doesn't prevent problems. At least it doesn't sound like he's trying to find someone else to blame for the engine failure. Good to see at least a few people man up and admit they screwed the pooch. :biggthumpup:

[GoodfellaFD3S]

Keep in mind he also had the OEM LIM with unequal length runners..... guess which rotor blew?

[Mitchocalypse]

Threads like this fucking terrify me :o15:

Seems like all the popular members on the other forum with big builds are blowing their engines. Just saw 4 or 5 today including this one.

[Trout2]

Much of this has to do with the blind leading the blind on the other forum. HC can't make a motor last yet they all follow and repeat his advice like gospel. Then when they blow motors, the root cause is never determined and the same mistakes are repeated.

We need to see the datalogs and maps to have a clue what happened to this guy's car but since he's drunk on the LS cool aid doubt it will happen.

Jack