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proraceer07
10-18-2013, 11:40 AM
idk if im the first person who posted this or not, but has an F22 swap has been done to an fd3s?

RedR1
10-18-2013, 12:44 PM
I have seen it done once at a car meet in Orlando, FL a few years ago. I didn't catch the owners name, though. it was different, i'll give them that. He told me in the convo we had, he did it just to be different, not for a performance reason.

lt1_fd3s
10-18-2013, 01:01 PM
F22.. is that the s2k engine? i saw an F-swap in an FD at Import Alliance in Charlotte, NC last year...

It was done by a shop that specializes in the F20/F22 engine if I remember correctly...

proraceer07
10-18-2013, 02:32 PM
F22 is S2000 engine, i was thinking about it because if i buy an FD, i want to swap the motor out with an F22, 1jz, or a 96+ 13b motor.

RedR1
10-18-2013, 02:37 PM
What do you plan on doing with the car? 1/4 mile? road racing? or just to be unique? different motors have different weights and balances, which definitely impact the handling the the chassis.

lt1_fd3s
10-18-2013, 05:14 PM
yeah, what RedR1/Chris said... what you want to do with the car should help determine what you do with it. The '93-95 REW is a great engine and from what i know, 96 they introduced the 16-bit ecu for them and then in '99 they changed the tune a little bit and turbos to get a little more power. But it wasn't anything you can't buy after market ECU and parts to do yourself.

I would recommend if it is your first rotary (or first FD) then take some time to learn the car and get to know it if you aren't sure what you want to do with it. They are a great chassis that do amazing on tracks (or in the mountains for some of us). or you can build a hell of a drag car if that's your thing...

proraceer07
10-18-2013, 11:11 PM
i do want use the fd for NASA racing and time attack, i know the 1jz-2jz are commonly used for drag racing. i wouldn't mind using the stock motor in the fd i just dont want something to go work in the car where i have to get the whole motor rebuilt.

lt1_fd3s
10-18-2013, 11:30 PM
take the time to learn the engine and research how to improve the longevity of the engine. tuning will be a BIG deal with the rotary. also, try to find knowledgeable local people around you to discuss and learn from... and if you dont know something or are curious, ask on the forum! many people here are willing to share knowledge, some might tell you to search... or heck PM me your questions and i'll do what i can to answer or help you find the answers.

but know too that you will one day need to rebuild... it's not a bad thing, just the nature of these cars... and if you are prepared and know to expect it, then it can go alot smoother. and there are several great builders out there, they can be a little pricey but can be a great route to go when the time comes... or you can try your hand at it yourself...

but main things are research, patience and tuning...

proraceer07
10-18-2013, 11:57 PM
i will wait and i will stay with the stock engine, but i just dont want a prorblem where i track it one day and then the next day the car wont start thats my fear with fd. i know the stock engine burns oil from time to time. but if i have any question i will come to you guys. i am young and i'm still learning about cars and especially about the fd, and i want to find ways to make it better.

RedR1
10-19-2013, 08:56 AM
i do want use the fd for NASA racing and time attack, i know the 1jz-2jz are commonly used for drag racing. i wouldn't mind using the stock motor in the fd i just dont want something to go work in the car where i have to get the whole motor rebuilt.

a 1JZ or 2JZ will throw off the balance of an FD. I don't claim to have driven all the swaps, as there's always exceptions out there, but I have driven a 1JZ swapped FD and it didn't handle remotely like a normal 13B REW powered one does. Wait until you drive your FD hard, before you decide to do any motor swaps. Especially one that will throw off the car's inherent feel. If you go into it with an FD that's already swapped, that would be ok because you won't know what you've missed and will think the FD is just another mediocre handling car.

Come at the FD with an empty slate. Try it from there. There's a reason people participate in NASA TTU and the likes with a 13B REW (OEM FD motor) and a nice, responsive single turbo upgrade and compete against Z06's, ZR1's, F430's, etc. the FD handles amazingly well. Don't be so quick to throw away it's heart (we're talking about balance here, not the rotary) in persuit of "less headache" that will cost just as much as leaving the 13B in there and rebuilding it in the long run.

Get an FD, but a quality set of coilovers (none of this garbage HKS, GReddy, JIC crap that's out there), get rid of the stock twin turbo system and get a nice, well developed single turbo kit that boosts quick with a properly ducted intake/vmount intercooler kit, get a nice thick set of twin oil coolers (Mocal or Setrab).

Its when people go racing on the cheap, that motors blow and they don't actually compete. You literally have to have a large fortune to make a small fortune. And to do NASA racing, you are literally pissing money into the wind (but having fun doing it, i do it too) but one can't put a price on happiness.

i will wait and i will stay with the stock engine, but i just dont want a prorblem where i track it one day and then the next day the car wont start thats my fear with fd. i know the stock engine burns oil from time to time. but if i have any question i will come to you guys. i am young and i'm still learning about cars and especially about the fd, and i want to find ways to make it better.

The FD always burns oil. Rotaries in general do. Oil is injected into the combustion event for lubrication. All current rotaries to my knowledge have an oil metering pump. Pre-mixing is a must in my opinion, but you'll get there when you are closer to purchasing one.

don't expect to buy an FD and go tracking it off the bat. odds are the previous owner didn't take care of the car well, so it will probably need a rebuild in it's near future (many reasons for that). there is also a lot of prep work to go into a car before you track it, mainly making sure it's healthy. I'm not talking mods there, i'm just speaking in general. make sure nothing is loose, no risk for parts to break, etc. it's a long road, filled with spent money, headaches, and girlfriends leaving you. I wouldn't trade it for the world.

proraceer07
10-19-2013, 05:39 PM
i'll take it from you guys and when i buy an fd i would want go into it without thinking about doing a swap. i'll probably just get it fixed and see what needs to be replaced and stuff.

RedR1
10-19-2013, 05:43 PM
i'll take it from you guys and when i buy an fd i would want go into it without thinking about doing a swap. i'll probably just get it fixed and see what needs to be replaced and stuff.

Not saying my way is the right way, not even trying to imply that. Just saying. . . . i've wasted a LOT of monies learning to do it the right way. Just trying to save your thousands (literally) in the long run :)

Whizbang
10-19-2013, 08:11 PM
also you may want to look at the rules of the racing organization you want to compete in before you wind up in a pitfall of ineligibility.

RedR1
10-20-2013, 08:53 AM
also you may want to look at the rules of the racing organization you want to compete in before you wind up in a pitfall of ineligibility.

this too, x's 405984958408394038390

i auto assumed that part :lol:

RETed
10-20-2013, 09:00 AM
i'll take it from you guys and when i buy an fd i would want go into it without thinking about doing a swap. i'll probably just get it fixed and see what needs to be replaced and stuff.

I think you're in over your head.


-Ted

85rx-7gsl-se
10-20-2013, 09:24 AM
I think you're in over your head.


-Ted

But Ted, he is a "Proraceer" ...

GySgtFrank
10-20-2013, 10:17 AM
But Ted, he is a "Proraceer" ...

Everybody has to start out in the frustration/money pit game somewhere. I'm just jealous that I couldn't start out with an FD. I had to start with a 1958 4 door Ford. :ugh2:

RedR1
10-20-2013, 12:19 PM
Everybody has to start out in the frustration/money pit game somewhere. I'm just jealous that I couldn't start out with an FD. I had to start with a 1958 4 door Ford. :ugh2:

which was a good thing, bc now when you run into issues of any kind, you simply build/fabricate your own parts. Your beginnings have done you well, if you ask me!

Rotary Evolution
10-20-2013, 06:40 PM
i heard those S7 engines were way better than the S6!

proraceer07
10-25-2013, 08:04 AM
Not saying my way is the right way, not even trying to imply that. Just saying. . . . i've wasted a LOT of monies learning to do it the right way. Just trying to save your thousands (literally) in the long run :)

i know your way isn't right but i'll take it from someone who like you said wasted thousands on doing it the right way.

proraceer07
10-25-2013, 08:09 AM
I think you're in over your head.


-Ted

your not the only person who thinks that way lol

RedR1
10-25-2013, 08:22 AM
Depending on what sanctioned racing series/league you plan on running, i would HIGHLY advise to look into the LS swap for the FD. It only weighs about 20 or so pounds more than a 13B-REW but makes 3 times the torque which makes the car FLY at corner exit speed. There's a list of why it's better, and there's a list of why it isn't, which just goes back to "removing the soul of a car" . . . answers from a buncha phaggots if you ask me. :lol: An LS would make more sense than an F22 would in an FD to boot. more useability.

that being said, I love man-flesh and still have a 13B REW in my car :rofl: